okay so is insulin very very dangerous and am i stupid to be taking it ??????????????

[nooby]

why would you thhink that? you think injecting slin will damage your pancreas and impact your natural slin production? you are confusing the feedback mechanism that occurs with testosterone with insulin..... different!

and i'm glad you are using slin with an experienced mate! that's a huge relief!!!

Uh, because there is something we call in the medical field called "insulin resistance". Don't give people medical advice if you don't know what you are talking about.

[Times Roman]

Uh, because there is something we call in the medical field called "insulin resistance". Don't give people medical advice if you don't know what you are talking about.

doesn't insulin resistance mean it takes an ever increasing amount of insulin to regulate blood sugar levels? doesn't this correlate to a person eating too many simple carbs over long periods of time as in typeII diabetes?

I'm not aware of the concept you bring up, and that being exogeneous insulin makes you more insulin resistant. not trying to be difficult, bbut would be interested if you can back up your statement with some data?

[gixxerboy1]

doesn't insulin resistance mean it takes an ever increasing amount of insulin to regulate blood sugar levels? doesn't this correlate to a person eating too many simple carbs over long periods of time as in typeII diabetes?

I'm not aware of the concept you bring up, and that being exogeneous insulin makes you more insulin resistant. not trying to be difficult, bbut would be interested if you can back up your statement with some data?

I'm a diabetic also. I dont understand either how taking exogenous insulin can cause you to be insulin resistant either

[Bigshotvictoria]

I'm a diabetic also. I dont understand either how taking exogenous insulin can cause you to be insulin resistant either

The same way endogenous insulin causes insulin resistance. Sugar isn't the direct cause. Whenever we ingest carbs, the pancreas releases insulin. if we eat complex carbs, the release is slow and controlled, as complex carbs take time to metabolize. Simple carbs cause a much quicker and much larger release of insulin that swamps the insulin receptors. Think of using way to much HCG, and down-regulating your leydig cells. Same thing, the insulin down regulates the receptors. The pancreas still releases plenty of insulin, but it takes much more to illicit the same results. endogenous or exogenous, large bursts of insulin cause insulin resistance. ladies and gentleman, the recipe for non-insulin dependant diabetes mellitus. This isn't to say using insulin can't be done safely, but it has an incredibly narrow therapeutic window, the space between the minimum effective dosage and toxicity. Just remember, to much insulin and your blood sugar plummets. Your brain NEEDS sugar as it needs oxygen. if your blood sugar is low enough, the effect is the same on your brain as respiratory arrest. Remember your blood sugar (Canadian measurements) four to eight, feeling great!!!

[Taiaha]

i have been thinking about using it as i have got my hands on some gh. as much as i read still very confusing lol. if i was going to do it i would use 1iu straight after training as it helps u to recovery and with all ure nutrients this way i have been told so don't blast me if i am wrong lol and and have a carb meal straight after so 1iu after training 5days a week. what u guys think of that? i agree with bigswoll 6 weeks on 6 weeks off.

[nooby]

doesn't insulin resistance mean it takes an ever increasing amount of insulin to regulate blood sugar levels? doesn't this correlate to a person eating too many simple carbs over long periods of time as in typeII diabetes?

I'm not aware of the concept you bring up, and that being exogeneous insulin makes you more insulin resistant. not trying to be difficult, bbut would be interested if you can back up your statement with some data?

Yes it does correlate to a person eating simple carbs, but what happens when you eat simple carbs? Your body produces extra insulin. Carbs don't directly cause diabetes, it's the actions your body takes after eating them that does.

[jimmyinkedup]

Uh, because there is something we call in the medical field called "insulin resistance". Don't give people medical advice if you don't know what you are talking about.

Uh there are several commonly followed protocols regarding insulin use in bodybuilding circles - none of which, if followed, would render the user more likely to become diabetic (in the abscence of a genetic predisposition of course).
A serious bodybuilder , following a prudent bodybuilding diet / lifestyle will have a high insulin sensativity (again in the abscence of genetic predisposition). Combine this with what in the big picture is short term use and the "becoming diabetic" is fear mongering at best. There are far greater immediate dangers with insulin use than that- mainly care in dosing properly and proper dietary requirements.
Dont comment on bodybuilding protocols and their consequences if you dont know what you are talking about, or at least dont be a condescending prick about it.