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I guess i'm sitting the rest of this one out since nobody loves me.
I'll leave it at this - read some of Alan Aragon's and/or Martin Berkham's material for an alternate approach to the mantra that's been hammered into our heads by magazines and supplement companies for so many decades. These are 2 guys who are very well known in the field, not some random unknown potentially phony doctors posting up studies.
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Ha ha sorry not trying to leave you out at all...It just that I have so much to say I can't even fit it all into replying to one person. I was just too lazy to reply on your comments ha ha..But I know you're reading them and will reply, killing two birds with one stoneOriginally Posted by gbrice75
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i use common sense along with the info I have learned over the years...I honestly have never seen eating 2 large meals or similar ever being more effective. Based off this analogy of 1,2,3 or 6 meals a day makes no difference then that would go against the natural adaptation of our bodies....
Based off that model it also wouldn't matter if you didn't eat for 3 days straight and then made up for it the next 3 days....Obviously this would have MAJOR downfalls...Our bodies can be adapted to many different eating styles, so eventually if someone did this 3 days off, 3 days on our body would naturally adapt to this eating style...I can guarantee you that if this was put into play during the 3 days off the body would naturally start to slow it's metabolism on those days to conserve what it has...
There has been many times where my diet has been 500 gram carbs and 500 grams protein daily....I can't even imagine eating that in 2 meals...250 grams carbs and 250 grams protein in one meal! No way is that more effective, there is just no way..I mean, there has been different theories on how much protein our bodies can digest in one sitting but 250 grams protein...That's just too much man
Last edited by calstate23; 05-10-2012 at 03:54 PM.
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i will read up on some of that when I get a chance...Honestly though I never read those magazines or take any info from research supplemental companies. i know most of it is just blowin smoke. Any info I get it's personal experience or experience from other serious lifters I train with...
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No worries.
Yep - I didn't mean to imply you were getting your info from BB mags or supp. companies, etc., it was more of a general statement. You are doing what works for you, regardless of where you learned it, and that's really all that matters in the end. Others are starting to realize there are alternate approaches to the 'jail sentence' that the widely accepted diet template for a bodybuilder can feel like... and are yielding great results.
When I ran my IF diet, I started my fast at 8pm, went to bed around 10pm, woke up and weight trained (follwed by cardio) at 5:30am, and didn't break my fast with a delayed PWO meal until 12pm. Note that I did take BCAA's both before my weight training session and after cardio.
Sounds terrible, right? I had some of the most intense workouts of my life. I had more energy than my usual training in the fed state. But most importantly, I made strength gains on nearly every lift, consistently for the duration of said diet. Why? Because there are hormonal responses to being in the fasted state after a given length of time. It dates back to our ancestory - we certainly hunted in an extended fasted state at times (because food wasn't easy to come by)... hunting (without guns etc) must've been one long, intense 'workout'. If we were sluggish, lethargic, tired, etc - we wouldn't have survived, and flourished. Quite the contrary - our hormonal response actually INCREASED energy (burning fat stores, hey that's what they're for) and alertness, allowing us to give the hunt everything we had.
It's not so cut and dry man. I think it IS close-minded to believe there is only one way to skin a cat. To compare what we do to what pro's (who are on a ton of gear) do is pointless. The majority of people on this board aren't chasing their meals with slin. BB mags constantly post up the pro's lifting routines, but very few regular people see success when using them. Why? Because we're comapring apples and oranges. Pro's are eating HUGE amounts of food (offset by huge amounts of gear)... so eating 2 meals per day would not be realistic for them. I LOVE to eat, but doubt I could consume 6000 clean calories in 2 meals. In fact, I KNOW I can't. But most people here aren't eating 6000 calories. Most are eating half that amount. I know I CAN eat 3000 clean calories in 2 meals. I've done it. Simply put, comparing pro's (who already have a body composition which is NOTHING like most on this board) + all their gear + super high calories + ridiculously high volume and/or intensity training routines (again, possible because of the gear) to the average joe who is looking to build some muscle but isn't making it his life's work... is a poor comparison to make, IMHO.
Again, I want to reiterate that I am not opposed to several smaller meals per day - I am eating that way right now. But the beauty of this sport and science in general is keeping an open mind, because there's always more to learn, as new science and technology becomes available to us, and many widely accepted theories, throughout history, have been proven wrong. Hey, they thought the world was flat once... just sayin.
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Alan argon is great! Ian McCarthy is also great, these guys are purely science based though, it's their job to go through a whole bunch of studies and present the facts, no bro science with these guys!
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