Lack of Biochemical understanding

[DiamondJim]

Did you really not realize that there was not a forum run by doctors with well documented studies on AAS usage, or think somehow you would help us by making us aware that you can't believe everything on a bulletin board, or did you just come here to debate and knock the information available here?

I am sorry if I am wrong it just seems that you are not really asking anything rather just seeking to condemn what exists here.

1. I am surprised at the info posters on here know. what I was asking for was a source for this info so i could research on my own and if the info was scientifically sound and proven.

I don't doubt there are posters who think they have a fundamental understanding of aas, however when there are so many posters posting about their own cycles and philosophies the credible opinions get watered down. I was merely saying how dangerous that can be and how people need to proceed with caution before accepting advice online as acceptable.

Im not trying to get on anyone's bad side but im sure as hell going to speak up when I see something on this site that I find troublesome that could potentially cause harm to someone.

I believe that someone mentioned earlier to read studies on patients with aids and other catoblic diseases and I was referred to a book about aas from 1991. Those are definite starting grounds, however if someone could point me in the direction of a leading biochemist and their philosphy on aas I'd appreciate it. I assume most text is philosophical in nature and this is where posters can help by telling their personal experience?

Like I said before, don't want to get on anyone's bad side but i just want to make sure the info i am getting is solid and hopefully based on research if possible

[oscarjones]

1. I am surprised at the info posters on here know. what I was asking for was a source for this info so i could research on my own and if the info was scientifically sound and proven.

I don't doubt there are posters who think they have a fundamental understanding of aas, however when there are so many posters posting about their own cycles and philosophies the credible opinions get watered down. I was merely saying how dangerous that can be and how people need to proceed with caution before accepting advice online as acceptable.

Im not trying to get on anyone's bad side but im sure as hell going to speak up when I see something on this site that I find troublesome that could potentially cause harm to someone.

I believe that someone mentioned earlier to read studies on patients with aids and other catoblic diseases and I was referred to a book about aas from 1991. Those are definite starting grounds, however if someone could point me in the direction of a leading biochemist and their philosphy on aas I'd appreciate it. I assume most text is philosophical in nature and this is where posters can help by telling their personal experience?

Like I said before, don't want to get on anyone's bad side but i just want to make sure the info i am getting is solid and hopefully based on research if possible

re·search
noun

1. diligent and systematic inquiry or investigation into a subject in order to discover or revise facts, theories, applications, etc.: recent research in medicine.

2. a particular instance or piece of research.
verb (used without object)

3. to make researches; investigate carefully.
verb (used with object)

4. to make an extensive investigation into: to research a matter thoroughly

Ok, now that we settled that matter...

Honestly man, you're asking questions in an online forum (one of many) dedicated to AAS and it's correlated uses. Now, a few knowledgeable members here have given you some responses to your otherwise repetitive and thrusting inquiries, yet you still persist.

So, now that you have the definition of "research", please do us all a favor and attempt to use the methods listed above in your quest for answers about the now fashionable, mythical, biochemistry and it's anonymously founded association of non-existence!

Seriously, if you really want to start with finding facts about biochemistry, stop fvcking thrusting your e-peen into our precious forum space, and drop the role of the coy martyr while actually DOING what it is you say you wish to do, which I thought was "research".

Go to the TRT forum and read the stickies, and then read them again, and then read the other stickies in the rest of the forums, then go to your local Urologist or Endocrinologist and ask them for references and access to medical journals and then maybe even enroll in medical school.

Have fun not being handed answers "researcher-boy-wonder".

[DiamondJim]

Oscar, you do know there is a difference between going on a message board and reading tons of posts by people who have no credentials or scientific background and actual research right?

Do you know how research is done at the academic level in america?

My "boy wonder" tactics are only trying to provide a firm ground in which someone on this site can make an authoritative statement about the use of aas. Clearly you seem annoyed and antagonized by me somehow, maybe this is a side effect of your aas use. I hope you get that under control. You will find that people may start to like you once again.

[nooby]

Oscar, you do know there is a difference between going on a message board and reading tons of posts by people who have no credentials or scientific background and actual research right?

Do you know how research is done at the academic level in america?

My "boy wonder" tactics are only trying to provide a firm ground in which someone on this site can make an authoritative statement about the use of aas. Clearly you seem annoyed and antagonized by me somehow, maybe this is a side effect of your aas use. I hope you get that under control. You will find that people may start to like you once again.

You're an idiot. You want case studies. Well everyone here is posting there very own case study. The research has never been done before, and will not be done, except by us. So if our methods are not up to your standards then kick rocks... bro.

[oscarjones]

Oscar, you do know there is a difference between going on a message board and reading tons of posts by people who have no credentials or scientific background and actual research right?

Do you know how research is done at the academic level in america?

My "boy wonder" tactics are only trying to provide a firm ground in which someone on this site can make an authoritative statement about the use of aas. Clearly you seem annoyed and antagonized by me somehow, maybe this is a side effect of your aas use. I hope you get that under control. You will find that people may start to like you once again.

I just feel like you're asking too many questions, and the same ones... over and over. There is no definitive answer to your question, no secret magical source of information that you'd deem "research worthy". That's the entire point of AAS and I could go into a conspiratorial rant, and I'll save it for another time.

Maybe you can be the first to actually do a controlled study on AAS, and I guarantee you it'll be a waste of time and money because most of the conclusive evidence you'll discover will have already pretty much been figured out empirically. If you really want some detailed information, go into the cycle logs and look at BJJ's well kept journal, it's probably the most detailed I've seen yet on this forum.

And no, AAS aren't what makes me antagonized, that's just life bro. Go get one.

[DiamondJim]

this thread is done.

[Will-To-Power]

Why don't you look for threads with blood work? There's plenty out there and they are the closest things you're gonna find to hard evidence.

[awms]

Oscar, you do know there is a difference between going on a message board and reading tons of posts by people who have no credentials or scientific background and actual research right?

Do you know how research is done at the academic level in america?

My "boy wonder" tactics are only trying to provide a firm ground in which someone on this site can make an authoritative statement about the use of aas. Clearly you seem annoyed and antagonized by me somehow, maybe this is a side effect of your aas use. I hope you get that under control. You will find that people may start to like you once again.

Most academic studies area joke...most studies are full of loose ends and have to many variables to really solidify them. For example there was a study that came out recently on red meat were they followed people over a 20 year period, half had red meat more then 6 times a week and the other half had red meat less then twice a week, the out come was that the people who had more red meat in their diets lived shorter lives or has more health problems....the problem with this study is that they did not track what else these people were eating, their life styles or habits ect ect....so the study is basically useless! red meat could mean a person eats a burger from mcdonalds, with fires and a large coke or it could mean they had grass fed beef, veggies, and water....they did not track this info there for the study means nothing! yet they released the study stating that "red meat is bad"....not all academic studies are legit and in fact most are a joke.

That being said I would argue that a lot of the "steroid logs" and info in here is better then many of the academic studies we often see! there better documented that's for sure! at least in here we know the persons diet, training, age and back round, life styles habits, and there is a history of many people doing the same thing (example: 500mg test for 10-12 weeks)....I bet you could find over 1000 logs on this cycle alone in here if not more! yes academic studies have there place and no they are not all garbage...but don't discredit the info on this site! its very valuable!