Any experience with natural aromatase inhibitors?

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Please explain this statement to me. Once he starts exogenous Testosterone he will be go into HPTA suppression and there is no arguing that. hCG will keep his HPTA intact...why would you say not to start with it when he starts his TRT???

yes he will be suppressed, but the mystery of HCG is that it does not make everyone feel better. Dr Crisler says this as well. and if you read a lot of forums on this stuff you will hear about a 50-50 mix of people who benefited or not from HCG. my newest doc also says he doesn't even use HCG anymore because of the sub-par results on average. so that's why I would say don't start it right away - you don't know if it's helping or hurting. also, early on in TRT you are not so profoundly suppressed so how much would it really hurt if you didn't use HCG for a few months to half a year while you are restoring T levels?

HCG will also elevate your E2.
Not true at all when dosed correctly. Statements like this MUST be clarified. E2 is effected when large doses are used over time. While everyone is different most men will see no impact on E2 when hCG is dosed correctly.

well, I'm not a clinician, but what you're saying doesn't really add up to what I've read and heard from physicians and from a biological perspective. when you use HCG you are basically creating numerous hormones that can readily convert to estradiol and, unless you aggressively use AI's, you should expect a rise in estradiol. without HCG, it's just testosterone converting to estradiol, but with hcg it's now all the testosterone you have plus these other earlier intermediate hormones. very logical to presume some of this is going to estradiol, which it does.

I'm not saying that HCG will make your estradiol uncontrollably high, but a rise is reasonable and most likely expected.

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yes he will be suppressed, but the mystery of HCG is that it does not make everyone feel better. Dr Crisler says this as well. and if you read a lot of forums on this stuff you will hear about a 50-50 mix of people who benefited or not from HCG. my newest doc also says he doesn't even use HCG anymore because of the sub-par results on average. so that's why I would say don't start it right away - you don't know if it's helping or hurting. also, early on in TRT you are not so profoundly suppressed so how much would it really hurt if you didn't use HCG for a few months to half a year while you are restoring T levels?

Well, I hold a different position than you on these issues HRT and won't hijack this thread with deep debate. That being said, the use of exogenous Testosterone causes a self induced organ shutdown...namely the testes...fact. The use of hCG (LH Analog) prevents this from happening...fact. Nuff said from my point of view.


well, I'm not a clinician, but what you're saying doesn't really add up to what I've read and heard from physicians and from a biological perspective. when you use HCG you are basically creating numerous hormones that can readily convert to estradiol and, unless you aggressively use AI's, you should expect a rise in estradiol. without HCG, it's just testosterone converting to estradiol, but with hcg it's now all the testosterone you have plus these other earlier intermediate hormones. very logical to presume some of this is going to estradiol, which it does.

Hell, any supplemented hormone can cause E2 elevation that's nothing new whatsoever. Pregnenolone and DHEA supplementation can do the same. Testosterone does it more than any other hormone. Frequent low dose use of hCG has clinically shown not to have a significant impact on E2 as opposed to higher doses like >500iu daily. Think of it along the lines of men who use daily gel/cream. Their doses are so low each day the use of an AI is almost never heard of...same scenario

IMO, hCG is a wonderful peptide that has so many health beneficial benefits for men that it should, and typically is, a standard component of a well balanced TRT protocol.

I'm not saying that HCG will make your estradiol uncontrollably high, but a rise is reasonable and most likely expected.

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