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    Quote Originally Posted by oscarjones
    I'd love to see your prolactin and FSH levels if possible.
    Agree with bass, that would just be a waste of time and $$.

    Bass, do you want kids?? If not, then no need to mess with the HMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    then no need to mess with the HMG.
    ...maybe, maybe not. I like the thought of restoring the "boys" to their God-intended potential! !

    For that, you'll need both FSH/LH (e.g., HMG + HCG)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecdysone

    ...maybe, maybe not. I like the thought of restoring the "boys" to their God-intended potential! !

    For that, you'll need both FSH/LH (e.g., HMG + HCG)
    Not true

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    Agree with bass, that would just be a waste of time and $$.

    Bass, do you want kids?? If not, then no need to mess with the HMG.
    You missed the point. It was more dimensional. FSH isn't only necessary for reproduction, it's necessary for the healthy function of luteinizing hormone/choriogonadotropin receptor specifically those found within the testis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscarjones View Post
    You missed the point. It was more dimensional. FSH isn't only necessary for reproduction, it's necessary for the healthy function of luteinizing hormone/choriogonadotropin receptor specifically those found within the testis.
    It's what I've been saying....

    OTOH, I have to admit that a bunch of guys who inject women's piss extract [you recombinant LH guys excepted] into themselves with great regularity have less than perfect credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecdysone View Post
    It's what I've been saying....

    OTOH, I have to admit that a bunch of guys who inject women's piss extract [you recombinant LH guys excepted] into themselves with great regularity have less than perfect credibility.
    Hahaha, right! Can we just have our women pee on us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscarjones View Post
    You missed the point. It was more dimensional. FSH isn't only necessary for reproduction, it's necessary for the healthy function of luteinizing hormone/choriogonadotropin receptor specifically those found within the testis.
    I hear what you're saying. However, instead of dimensional, I'll try to put it in perspective ... I've been taking HCG for several years now. When I take it steadily (3x per week), my testes go from Mr. Hyde to Dr. Jekyll. My doctor states that I have the nads of a 20 yo when my regiment is consistent; minus the sperm production, which actually BTW life did find a way, as I had motile sperm in lab taken 1-1/2 ago. Not much mind you, but there were some live ones.

    Anyways, my testicles experience hypertrophy, my climaxes are off the scale, a la Peter North, and the pain in my left testicle evaporates. And again, MY DOCTOR says I have the nads of a 20 year old minus the sperm. So tell me where I'm missing out by not incorporating the FSH analogue into my program. Will it stimulate the leydigs beyond what they are getting alone from just the LH analogue?

    HMG is a GREAT product from what I have read, no doubt about it. However, I don't want sperm! I would venture to say that 70% of the guys on our HRT forum don't want spermatogenesis either. Take out the sperm factor, what benefits will I see that I don't already get? My testicles are not going to grow anymore, nor would I want them to.

    From your medical expertise, what am I missing out on by not having FSH, besides the obvious? What neglect is happening to my choriogonadotropin receptors that's keeping me from achieving optimal testicular health (that I am told by a doctor that I have)? Again, no kids needed. 45 yo and we like our lifestyle just the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    I hear what you're saying. However, instead of dimensional, I'll try to put it in perspective ... I've been taking HCG for several years now. When I take it steadily (3x per week), my testes go from Mr. Hyde to Dr. Jekyll. My doctor states that I have the nads of a 20 yo when my regiment is consistent; minus the sperm production, which actually BTW life did find a way, as I had motile sperm in lab taken 1-1/2 ago. Not much mind you, but there were some live ones.

    Anyways, my testicles experience hypertrophy, my climaxes are off the scale, a la Peter North, and the pain in my left testicle evaporates. And again, MY DOCTOR says I have the nads of a 20 year old minus the sperm. So tell me where I'm missing out by not incorporating the FSH analogue into my program. Will it stimulate the leydigs beyond what they are getting alone from just the LH analogue?

    HMG is a GREAT product from what I have read, no doubt about it. However, I don't want sperm! I would venture to say that 70% of the guys on our HRT forum don't want spermatogenesis either. Take out the sperm factor, what benefits will I see that I don't already get? My testicles are not going to grow anymore, nor would I want them to.

    From your medical expertise, what am I missing out on by not having FSH, besides the obvious? What neglect is happening to my choriogonadotropin receptors that's keeping me from achieving optimal testicular health (that I am told by a doctor that I have)? Again, no kids needed. 45 yo and we like our lifestyle just the way it is.
    I understand. It's not so much what you are missing, as to what bass is needing. I agree with you on the "don't fix what isn't broken" mentality, and I only suggested the possibility to bass about FSH and HMG based on medical journals, and because he's having (what we all seem to agree appear to be downregulation) problems. So, my efforts are only to assist him in his efforts to, obviously, attain what you and your doctor have deemed to be "20 year old nads". Any further research into this subject would be intriguing if a scenario of unequivocal proof can be affirmed, such as bass' his hCG being bunk.

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    [QUOTE=vetteman08;6039293]my testes go from Mr. Hyde to Dr. JekyllQUOTE]

    thats fvcking hilarious!!!

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