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Hey bro could be bunk testosterone if your sure it's not go to the doctor because it could be serious also you can try PDE5 inhibitors like sildenafil citrate, essentially cialis. Sorry about your problem bro don't wait too long and get on hcg and off test and to the docsOriginally Posted by pfmahan
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Take the nolvadex 3 days at a time when you feel sides flaring up or you feel nipple pain a little extra sensitivity is normal IMO better would be to take exemestane/aromasin while on cycle instead and save nolvadex for PCT. take the AIs the same way as nolvadex 3 days at a time when sides flare up. Taking too much of either during cycle will hamper your gains.
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Ron, I know this was posted like 3 years ago. But damn fine information. I am a newbie, but just some awesome insight. Thanks.
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Big ronnie....taking nolvadex.. Does it make you more prone to gyno..in future???
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Hey Ron, what do you recommend when coming out of a 12 week cut (not contest prep)? would you say a deload is needed before going onto a reload or just go straight from the cut to a reload?
Thanks
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Hi ronnie! i was reading through your thread and it really caught my attention, as not only does it makes complete sense, but it also seems to produce great results in terms of size.
What do you think about running 2 19 nors during one cycle? I was thinking about running npp (i don't mind pinning more frequently it really doesn't bother me i kinda like it actually) and tren e in the same cycle. I have ran tren several times before with no problems at all.
I will be running caber eod at .50 and aromasin 12.5 ed and have letro on hand.
Also do you think running hcg during reload 2x 250mg per week then 1250mg of hcg eod during deload is a good idea since I'm running 2 19 nors? or how should i run it exactly for better results and keeping my balls safe?
I plan on running this cycle for 22 weeks then pct for 6 weeks, how long do you think i should stay off gear after this cycle before i jump back on if I'm trying to play it safe?
10 weeks including pct or more?
Another question is should i run my test at maintenance around 300 a week and run tren at 600 a week since they both fight for the same receptor and tren is the stronger one?
I want to run two 19 nors at the same time during my first reload. I have ran tren a at 75ed and sust 500 weekly and noticed more sides when i increased the sust so i lowered it and increased tren 100ed and sust at 500 with no sides.
I plan on keeping on eating 330grams of protein, 250 grams carbs, 65 grams of fats during reload (just an example) I'm around 175, but will adjust my diet according to my weight before i start the cycle in july.
and 230 grams of protein, 300 grams of carbs, 85 grams of fat (during deload)
Here is my planned cycle and workouts please tell me what i should change and or what you recommend i really want to stick with the 10 wk reload , 2 wk deload 8 wk reload 2 wk reload, then pct for 4-6 weeks
Week 1-6th (Reload)
Test prop- 100 EOD(350 wk)
NPP- 150 EOD (525 wk)
D-bol-50 ED
Test E- 300 EW (300 wk)
Tren E 300 2 x Week (600 wk)
HCG- 250 2 X W (500 wk)
Caber- .50 eod
Aromasin- 12.5 ed
Week 7-10th (Reload)
Test E- 300 EW (300 weekly)
Tren E-300 2 x W (600 weekly)
HCG- 250 2 X W (500 wk) or should i do more?
Caber- .50 eod
Aromasin- 12.5 ed
Week 11-12th (Deload)
Test E- 300 Ew (300 Weekly)
HCG- 250 2 X W (500 wk) should i increase hcg here? what will give me better results keeping it the same or will increasing it affect my results?
Caber- .50 eod
Aromasin- 12.5 eod
Week 13-16th (reload)
Test Prop- 100 EOD (350wk)
NPP- 150 EOD (525 wk)
HCG- 250 2 X W (500 wk)
Caber- .50 eod
Aromasin- 12.5 ed
Week 17-20th (reload) (the reason i want to run tren a is because that way i can run npp for 4 weeks and then switch to tren a for 6 more weeks)
Test Prop- 100 EOD (350 Wk)
Tren A- 75ED (525 Wk)
Winny- 50ed
HCG- 250 2 X W (500 wk)
Caber- .50 eod
Aromasin- 12.5 ed
Week 21-22th (deload)
Test Prop- 75EOD (262.5 wk)
Tren A- 50EOD (175 wk)
HCG- 1000 EOD
Caber- .50 eod
Aromasin- 12.5 eod
PCT
Nolva- 40/40/20/20/10/10
Clomid-50,50,25,25
Aromasin- 12.5 eod/12.5eod/12.5e3d
I'm not sure if its better to stick to a five day split or four day split?
(5day split)
Sunday: Chest + cardio & abs
Monday: Legs
Tuesday: Back & Forearms
Wed: Cardio+ abs
Thursday: Shoulders
Friday: Triceps & biceps
Sat: Cardio + abs
Or
(4 day split)
Monday: Chest, Biceps, calves
Tuesday: Back & triceps (or triceps with shoulders instead)
Wed: Cardio+ abs
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Shoulders & triceps (or triceps with back instead)
Sat: Cardio + Abs
Sunday: Cardio + Abs
(4 day split)
Monday: Legs
Tuesday: Chest & Back
Wed: Cardio+ abs
Thursday: Shoulders
Friday: Arms
Sat: Cardio + Abs
Sunday: Off or Start Day 1/legs again
Below are the workouts exercises i have planned.
Workout 1-10th week (Reload workout)
Sunday (Chest)
3 sets/reps x 20,20,15 (Warm up Lightweight)
12 working Sets
Incline DB Press (15 deg angle)
(4 sets/ Reps)12-15,10-12,10-12,8-10
Decline BB Press (-15 deg angle)
(4 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,10-12,8-10
Incline Flies (15 deg angle)
(3 sets/Reps) 10-12,10-12,10-12
Cable Flies
(1 drop set pyramid down "lowering weight while increasing reps for example 100 lbs /8-10reps +70lbs10-12reps + 40 lbs/12-15 reps)
30 mins cardio+ab circuit
Monday (Legs)
2 sets/reps 20+ reps (warm up lightweight)
12 working Sets (quads)
Squats
(4 sets/ Reps)15-12,10-12, 10-12,10-8
Leg Press
(4 sets/Reps) 15-12,10-12, 10-12,10-8
Lunges
(3 sets/Reps) 10-12,10-12 8-10
Leg Extensions
(1 Drop set/reps) 180lbs/12 reps, 135lbs/15, 90lbs/20 reps,
Hamstrings (8 working sets)
Stiff Deadlift
1 warm up set/20 reps
4 sets/reps x15-12,10-12,10-12,10-8
Leg Curls
4 sets/reps x 8-10,10-15,10-15, 15-20
Standing Calf Machine
5 sets/reps x 30, 25, 20, 15, 12
Sitting Calf Raises
(3 sets/reps) 15,15,12
Tuesday (Back)
Pull ups- 3 sets/reps x failure (Warm up- Wide Grip Pull ups)
12 working Sets
Med-grip rows (should i do underhand or overhand wide or med grip?)
(4 sets/ Reps)15-12,10-12, 8-10
wide-grip pull downs (wide grip or med grip?)
(4 sets/Reps) 15-12,10-12,8-10
Cable pullovers
(3 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,10-12
Machine rows
(1 drop set pyramid from heavy to light)
5 working sets
Forearm standing curls
(2 sets/Reps) 20-25,15-20
Sitting front forearm curls
(2 sets/Reps) 20-25,15-20
Standing dumbbell Twist
1 sets/Reps x 30-50
Wednesday (Cardio, Abs)
30 mins cardio+ab circuit
Thursday (Delts,)
Dumbell bb press- 2 sets/reps), 20,15 (warm up lightweight)
12 working Sets
Shoulder Barbell Press
(4 sets/ Reps) 12-15, 10-12, 8-10
Lateral Raises
(4 sets/Reps) 12-15, 10-12, 10-12, 8-10
Front Raises
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15, 10-12
Upright rows
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15, 10-12
(Shrugs)
3 working Sets
Barbell Shrugs
(3sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,8-10
Friday (Biceps & Triceps)
10 working sets
Warm up (Lightweight)
1 sets/reps x20
Standing ez-bar curls
(4sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,10-12,8-10
Preacher Curls
(4 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12, 10-12,8-10
(Standing dumbbell twist curls or Hammer curls)
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,
Warm up (Lightweight)
2 sets/reps x20, 20 (Triceps Cable Ext)
12 working Sets (triceps)
Triceps Cable pull downs
(4sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,10-12.8-10
Lying Triceps Extensions
4 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,10-12,8-10
Machine Dips
4 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12, 10-12,8-10
Saturday (off)
2 week workout (Deload workout)
Sunday (Chest)
Warm up (Lightweight)
(2 sets/reps x20,15 (on the exercise you start)
6 working Sets
Incline DB Press
(2 sets/ Reps) 12-15,12-15,
Decline BB Press
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15,
Cable Flies
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15,
30 min cardio+ abs circuit
Monday (Legs)
(2 sets/reps) 20,20 (Squats warm up light weight)
(Quads) 6 working sets
Squats
(2 sets/ Reps) 12-15,12-15
Leg Press
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
Lunges
(2 sets/Reps12-15,12-15
or 2 sets of Leg extensions
Hamstrings
1 warm up set/reps x25 (Stiff leg deadlifts)
Stiff leg deadlifts- 2 sets/reps) 12-15,12-15
Leg Curls- 2 sets/reps x 12-15,15-20
Standing Calf Machine
(2 sets/reps x 30,25
Sitting Calf Raises
(2 sets/reps x15, 15
30 min cardio+ abs circuit
Tuesday (Back)
Warm up (Lightweight)
(2 sets/reps x failure (Wide Grip Pull ups)
6 working Sets
Wide-grip rows
(2 sets/ Reps) 12-15,12-15
Wide-grip pull downs
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
Cable pullovers
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
4 working sets
Forearm standing curls
(1 set/Reps) 25-30, 20-25
Sitting front forearm curls
(1 set/Reps) 25-30,20-25
1 set of dumbbell arm twist x failure
Wednesday (Cardio, Abs)
30 min cardio+ abs circuit
Thursday (Delts,)
Warm up (Lightweight)
(2 sets/reps), 20,20 warm up sets (db shoulder press)
6 working Sets
Shoulder Barbell Press
(2 sets/ Reps) 12-15,12-15,
Lateral Raises
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
Front Raises
(1 sets/Reps) 12-15,
Upright rows
(1 sets/Reps) 12-15
(Shrugs)
2 working Sets
Barbell Shrugs
(2sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
Friday (Arms)
1 sets/reps x20 (warm up light weight)
(Biceps) 6 working Sets
Standing EZ-bar curls
(2sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
Preacher Curls
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15,
Standing dumbbell twist curls or hammer curls
(2sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
(2 sets/reps x20, 20 (Triceps Cable Ext warm up lightweight)
(Triceps)
6 working Sets
Triceps Cable pull downs
(2sets/Reps) 12-15,10-12,15
Lying Triceps Extensions
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,12-15
Machine Dips
(2 sets/Reps) 12-15,10-15
Saturday (off)
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Ronnie you have definately changed my physiquenI love your sling shot method but I only done 24 weeks with incredible results and I have regular blood work I have low T but last dr visit he said my liver enzymes were considerably high other than that healthy as can be ive started taking milk thistle but not sure that will solve the problem and I really dont want to come off do you recomend going ahead and running pct and staying off a couple months or just cut back to maybe 250 mg test a week. Last cycle 750 mg tren e 500 mg sust clen t3 2 on 2 off for six weeks and one more question I ve read so much about not running two nor19s together but tren slows my libido dramaticly and ive done a deca only cycle and my libido was through the roof even more so than when i ran with test I would like to split my tren and deca to 400 mg each and 5to 600 mg of test ive tried raising test but had no libido affect just increased sides of other compounds .thanks for the info sorry so long
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Like TITAN suggested you need to become more educated through reading before cycling. This thread is a lot to absorb but well worth your time because you'll become well educated. Knowledge is power! And no you should not come off test during 2 week deloads!
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abovehi ronnie.
I have few questions...
Your best pct suggestion waslease make note of this: for the very best pct possible (if you can afford it) i recommend the following: Hcg taken at 2500 ius every other day for 3-4 weeks, clomid at 50 mgs taken twice a day for 3-4 weeks and nolvadex 20 mgs for 3-4 weeks. However, running hcg alone works fine for a lot of people, especially those not using an anti-es during cycle. If you are running an anti-es on cycle then you need it during the pct! Also, even though clomid helpssome with pct if it causes you to have severe emotional stress i feel it should be avoided.
this was said in the hcg description, here in the steroidcom:
I also run clomid and nolva in my pct. I have pretty good idea about it already: 100 clomid daily + 20mg nolva, for 4 wks.
edit: Ok update on this hcg/pct: I've realised that using hcg in pct is not as simple, as i thought. You won't just chunk them in like pills.
Also, i've read some 8 more hours of this thread and in the future i will be running nolva+hcg pct, with 2x5000ui hcg for 2 weeks.
Edit2: Looks like i have now good idea about hcg mixing as well, after doing full day of research... If i keep this up, i will run out of questions! :d
i plan to buy 2x5000iu and put 10000iu divided into 5 syringes (to fridge) and inject 2000iu every other day, for 10 days.(or 1000iu eod for 20 days better?)
my new plan for the first cycle is the following:
1-8 week: 500mg/susta (reload/12 sets each musclegrp, around 8-10 reps per set) (250mg/ml, twice per week)
9-10 week: 250mg/susta(deload/higher repcount(15)/only 6 sets)
11-18 week: 750mg/susta (reload/12 sets, around 8-10 reps) (250mg/ml three times per week)
11-18 week: 300mg/deca (reload/12 sets, around 8-10 reps) (300mg/ml once per week)
19-20 week: 250mg/susta(deload/more reps (15)/less sets)
21-24 pct, then start over looks good but i would increase sustanon to 750 mgs weekly during that first reload and 1 gram during second reload.keep deca at 300 mgs during second reload!
do you think it could be done in following way?:
In weeks 11-18, inject 500mg in 2ml of susta in monday morning, then inject 250mg of susta with 300mg of deca (2ml total here too)in the same syringe, in thursday evening? Totalling 2 injections per week also in weeks 11-18. sustanon neeed to be injected 3 times per week to gain the most benefits but you could do it only twice if desired!
next cycle after that(and more or less my norm cycle then):
1-4 week: Dbol 50mg/ed
1-8 week: 750mg/susta (put d-bol at weeks 4-8 not 1-4)
9-10 week: 250mg/susta
11-14 week dbol 50mg/ed (put d-bol at weeks 15-18 not 11-14)
11-18 week: 750mg/susta
11-18 week: 300mg/deca
19-20 week: 250mg/susta
21-24 pct
i have been lifting for 3-4 years with very good program(i did some working out before that, but not so seriously), 5 times a week, 2 musclegroups per day, very good diet for the last year, but now hitting plateau. Before this very good progress. I did something very similar to your tst system, doing some 2 months of hard training, then letting things settle down, or even took week break, and then ghoing back at "maximum attack", and this "slingshotting" has really worked for me. I've gained some 15 kilograms(33 pounds) in just last 2-3 years and none of it is fat. Some say that that much is not even possible, as natural bb!great work!i want to see how this same idea works with steroids, and using your instructions. Thanks for all the info, this sounds like a great system!
I've used a lot of dropsets and i get good pump with them. I need more strength and hope that using more straight sets and test will help. I have excellent form and i believe to have good genetics too(symmetry more or less just perfect, feeling lucky!), but don't know how i react to steroids, and how much size i can get with great program/diet/rest/steroids. Not aiming for competitions, but for perfect body and max size.
Ps. I am 40 years old, and have done sports all my life. I'm in great shape and even ran half marathon 21km last year(it was very hard, since i already had too much mass. Yes, i walked a lot...). Now i have way too much muscle mass for long runs. I stick to some 2km, twice per week, for cardio.beware of hurting your knees!
my cholesterol levels are running a bit high. Any good tips how to get that down a bit?NOTE: cardio at 20 minutes 3 times per week, a clean diet voided of cholesterol, saturated fats and sugar carbs, keep body fat levels relatively low, take it easy on the oral steroids, avoid aromatase inhibitors as they decrease some of the beneficial properties of estrogen on cholesterol values. Also, eat and drink liquid egg whites for most of your protein as they do not contain cholesterol like meat. i weight only 170+lbs(78kilos), but i am only 5'0" tall(165cm), and i am almost in "competition" form now, very low in bodyfat. I have been "eating like crazy", but i don't get a lot of bodyfat. How ever in the future i will decrease my workload in my main job, and try to eat more often during the day. For now i've tried to eat every 4 hours, but sometimes it slips to 5-6 hours, because i've done 16 hour workdays every now and then. drink some egg whites mixed with carb masters yogurt(krogers brand) which takes no time at all to down
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I am very sorry to hear this and I have a few questions as it's impossible to give a direct answer other wise. Are you getting your test from the same soruce and was your sex drive good on this same test 12 weeks prior? Also, have you been running any orals, tren or deca? I have three thoughts and in this particular order: 1) You have got hold of some bunk test and proviron. 2) You have puffy nipples which tells me you might have high prolactin levels and you need some cabergoline. The proviron would lower estrogen levels and increase androgen levels enough to increase sex drive) 3) You have high blood pressure which decreases blood flow to the penis-hence decreasing sex drive and your ability to get an erection.
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I have been pre-occupied with my wifes foot fusion surgery and will try and catch up with questions this week. Kathy has been in a great deal of pain. Both of us have been "SCREWED-LITERALLY" this year!!! Here's my wifes new ride-I call it "ROWLAND'S-ROLL-ABOUT"..
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damn..both of you going through ...hell... this year..tell your wife we wish her the best...surprised to seee...they had a cast.. big enough for her leg..lmao!!!
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yeah. this my first post here, but i think ill post my questions after you are in a state to answer them. till then TC & wish ur wife the best
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sorry to here about your wife and I know your in high demand because of your vast knoledge and I know you have alot on your plate but im kind of stuck until I know your recomendation from you which if you dont have time I fully understand and will make the best educated decision I can thank you.
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Hey ronnie, lately I've been having trouble getting a good pump and "feeling" my lats while training back.
Back day goes:
3 sets of neutral/underhand grip pull-ups (feel lats here!)
3 sets of wide grip pulldowns (then less)
3 sets of barbell rows (then less)
3 sets of cable rows (better)
2 sets deadlifts (always get good lower back pump from this!)
Is there any advice you can give on these exercises?? Like form etc.
Thanks!
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[b].QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6036237][b]Everyone please make note of this: Nolvadex is best to run on an as needed basis for males (females do best on nolvadex all the way through a contest prep). Nolvadex lowers igf-1 levels and gh levels which lowers the effectiveness of all steroids. However, nolvadex can actually improve your lipids. Letro is best used the last 2 weeks for a show or if you have severe gyno that nothing else will touch. It's just way too strong with too many side effects. Letro will not lower igf-levels like nolvadex but it will destroy your libido, joints, lipid levels,mood, energy output and of course gyno.
For long term use I recommend proviron or better yet masterone. Masterone should be your first choice as it's the only one that builds muscle while simultaneously lowering estrogen levels, yet not in excess! If masterone or proviron are not strong enough to prevent gyno then I would go with aromasin as it's more user friendly on a long term basis for males than letro, arimidex and nolvadex and does not cause an estrogen rebound upon cessation, but it's pricey!
Letro and Nolvadex are clearly both used to reduce estrogen and can be practically eliminated by using letro. Drugs like letro, adex and aromasin stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen while Nolvadex blocks estrogen from binding.When you block too much estrogen you increase your odds for osteoporosis (something you want to avoid at all cost!)
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if im taking proviron to prevent gyno frm the start, wat is the usual dosage that will not supress growth?
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Thanks Ronnie for your advices. I will decrease the amount of meat I eat, and increase the eggwhites. I already suspected it was from too much meat, thanks for confirming this.
How ever, I would still like to know your view on this:
I think that using 1000iu for longer time would be better, because injecting 2000iu eod would last only 9 days total?I plan to buy 2x5000iu and put 10000iu divided into 5 syringes (to fridge) and inject 2000iu every other day, for 10 days.(or 1000iu eod for 20 days better?)
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[QUOTE=gonebluffn;6035239]Ronnie you have definately changed my physiquenI love your sling shot method but I only done 24 weeks with incredible results and I have regular blood work I have low T but last dr visit he said my liver enzymes were considerably high other than that healthy as can be ive started taking milk thistle but not sure that will solve the problem and I really dont want to come off do you recomend going ahead and running pct and staying off a couple months or just cut back to maybe 250 mg test a week. Just working out in general causes elevated enzymes so I do not think there is anything to be alarmed about unless you are running halotestin or other potent orals non-stop. Test is not going to put a noticeable strain on the liver at the dosages you are running. Some people like milk thistle while others feel sick on it, I never liked it personally. Last cycle 750 mg tren e 500 mg sust clen t3 2 on 2 off for six weeks and one more question I ve read so much about not running two nor19s together but tren slows my libido dramaticly and ive done a deca only cycle and my libido was through the roof even more so than when i ran with test I would like to split my tren and deca to 400 mg each and 5to 600 mg of test ive tried raising test but had no libido affect just increased sides of other compounds .thanks for the info sorry so long If your sex drive went up on deca in the past it could be that you were actually sold test but I have seen a few people have no issues while on deca. Everyone reacts a bit differently. You certainly need to be running cabergoline while on deca and/or tren if your libido is dropping and I do not recommend combining two nor19's unless you are one of these rare people who can tolerate it sexually. You might want to try test/masterone/deca and leave out the tren since masterone acts as a mild anti-estrogen and it does not convert to progesterone like tren. Some do much better sexually with that combo! /QUOTE]above
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[You are very welcomeQUOTE=DRdee;6034866]Ron, I know this was posted like 3 years ago. But damn fine information. I am a newbie, but just some awesome insight. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You are very welcome!
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Proviron will not reduce estrogen levels to the point of retarding growth like letrozole or nolvadex can do. You don't need massive amounts of estrogen to make gains and having too much estogen is not healthy. Having enough estrogen present is key for all functions! Try 50 mgs per day. I have found masterone to be more effective at controlling estrogen than proviron but the anti-estrogenic properties of both proviron and masterone have demonstrated similar activity. For example: Proviron and Masteron have been successfully used as therapies for gynecomastia and breast cancer due to their mild anti-estrogenic effect but only masterone increases muscle mas so spedning your money on that drug is always advisable! A stronger estrogen reducing effect from drugs such as aromasin or even letro may be required given these two drugs do not control your gyno but let's hope not because they are very harsh on the human body. Also, too much prolactin can cause gyno which requires cabergoline. I've never had gyno or too high of estrogen but I have had issues with prolactin levels and I take caber to fix that problem.
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Well, they actually had to split her cast open 4 day post surgery because it became too small with the additonal swelling involved..lol
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[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;6034890]Big ronnie....taking nolvadex.. Does it make you more prone to gyno..in future??? No one is certain either way from what I have read. I would not use nolvadex long term as a male because while it blocks estrogen receptors at some sites it can stimulate them at other sites. Therefore, while nolvadex may be helping get rid of gyno it could be hurting your health if used on a long term basis.
I can also tell you that nolvadex has been suggested to behave as estrogens in skeletal muscles which is not good. Estrogen is believed to help protect muscle cells from damage due to hard training which means you would have to train harder to damage yor muscles. It also lowers IGF-levels which is a key compnonet in muscle growth!
One problem with the newer anti-es like arimidex is after long term use they can affect blood pressure and blood mineral content. This makes you more prone to getting high blood pressure and osteoporosis (weak bones) later dowen the road. Some of these drugs can put a strain on the liver as well.
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Finally I've read ALL 101 pages of this thread, and it took me 2 weeks, but I want to give a big applaud to Ronnie for all the advices and information here. I have so much more understanding of how these things work, and what is the HEALTHIEST and at the same time very effective way to start using steroids.
I've decided to not go as far and start using tren(even later), but I will go for Test Enan(or susta), with Deca, and will give some dbol a try later(not large amounts). Also, I had no idea that Hcg was so important in PCT and now I just today ordered it for my pct. Really glad I did the reading, because I want kids in the future.
What I find interesting now, that after reading this thread, I find myself interested about adding masteron in some point, as it sounds like it could add some positives.
Also, little bit puzzled of what part of the cycle should I add it... I'll so some research of this...
So, once again thanks Ronnie, you are true specialist and expert in this area.
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Hey Ron, what's the difference between caber and prami and which do you prefer/recommend? I just can't seem to get my hand on caber anymore so I got a couple of bottles of prami instead.
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Hey Ronnie,
Long time reader been reading all the materiel you have posted up on this site. I always revert back to your thread when I find myself hitting plateaus.
I've seen a couple questions on here in regards to AAS and cutting..
I'm curious as to what your experience or input is on running a cycle with main goal being to cut BF% and eating in a caloric deficient? Is it useless to eat a caloric deficient diet while on cycle? Or does it have it's benefits?
If so, How would one go about in his/her training split and would you do more or less reps/sets then compared to if you were bulking?
Thanks Ronnie!
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Ok, I've decided not to run nolva during the slingshot cycle, but I have it already "on hand" in case I get gyno.
I still haven't run my first cycle, yet.
BUT, I read from gyno thread that nolva would not do anything to stop/prevent gyno after first signs, if it appears. And they instructed to run letro instead, saying that it could actually remove the possible lump, if used right away, after signs.
However I've read elsewhere that only surgery can remove the lump.
What is your view on having letro on hand, instead of nolva? You haven't really talked much about letro, so I'd like to know your view on it? There a good reason why NOT use letro?
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[QUOTE=Kenlie;6036980]Thanks Ronnie for your advices. I will decrease the amount of meat I eat, and increase the eggwhites. I already suspected it was from too much meat, thanks for confirming this.
How ever, I would still like to know your view on this:
I think that using 1000iu for longer time would be better, because injecting 2000iu eod would last only 9 days total? Go with 1000ius eod and run for longer..[/QUOTE]above
Author of Functional Training with a Fork
[QUOTE=Kenlie;6039387]Finally I've read ALL 101 pages of this thread, and it took me 2 weeks, but I want to give a big applaud to Ronnie for all the advices and information here. I have so much more understanding of how these things work, and what is the HEALTHIEST and at the same time very effective way to start using steroids.
I've decided to not go as far and start using tren(even later), but I will go for Test Enan(or susta), with Deca, and will give some dbol a try later(not large amounts). Also, I had no idea that Hcg was so important in PCT and now I just today ordered it for my pct. Really glad I did the reading, because I want kids in the future.
What I find interesting now, that after reading this thread, I find myself interested about adding masteron in some point, as it sounds like it could add some positives.
Also, little bit puzzled of what part of the cycle should I add it... I'll so some research of this...
So, once again thanks Ronnie, you are true specialist and expert in this area. I recommend adding Masterone with any cycle containing sufficient amounts of aromatizing anabolics (use in all cycles, including your first cycle ever if you are prone to gyno, fearful of gyno, or other estrogen related side effects!)[/QUOTE]above
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Hey Ronnie,
This is what I built up for my cycle using your Deload/Reload main goal here is cutting my BF% to sub 10% and maintaining an possibly gaining some size. I've ran 2 cycles in the past each length only 8 weeks of Prop. This would be my first run with the slingshot method.
Stats -
26
5'11
185
14% BF
Proposed Reload/Deload -
Phase 1
(Reload) Weeks 1-8
500mg Test E/wk
(Deload) Weeks 9-10
250mg Test E/wk
Phase 2
(Reload) Weeks 11-18
500mg Test E/wk
100mg Injectable Winstrol EOD
(Deload) Weeks 19-20
250mg Test E/wk
50mg Injectable Winstrol EOD
*I also have T3/Clen on hand, how would you incorporate this? T3 makes me feel pretty lethargic even at 50mg. Ramp up clen 20mcg every 2 weeks for 8 weeks? Goal is to have Abs as defined as possible.
PCT -
Weeks 21-22 - HCG 2500iu EOD ( Can I run the HCG directly after my last pin of Test E or should I wait the 14 days for the Test to clear?)
Weeks 22-25 - Nolva at 40/20/20/20, Clomid - 100/50/50/50
I also have A-Dex on hand, would you just wait until gyno signs to start using it or incorporate it into my PCT? Also noticed in some other posts you said not to use Nolva if you're not running an anti-e during cycle, would I just run the Nolva and the A-Dex the week after for estro rebound?
Diet -
I consider myself an Endomorph, I tend to gain with ease but have to bust my ass just to loose a little.
Going to follow your carb/cal cycling slingshot during cycle as well.
Since main goal is cutting here, would 1 carb up day be more beneficial vice 2?
RELOAD
Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 270g Protein, 105g Carbs, 75g Fats(lower the fats?)
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats(To many carbs?)
On deloads the macros would remain the same except bring Protein down to 200g and add the aditional to fats and some carbs so would look like this on Deload
DELOAD
Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday - 180g Protein, 105g Carbs, 105g Fats
Wednesday/Saturday - 180g Protein, 350g Carbs, 25g Fats
Do I have a good understanding of the slingshot diet to lower BF% while adding LBM? Granted macro choices related to my stats (185 5'11 14%BF) Goal is to have abs as defined as possible, are these macros in the right ballpark compared to my stats?
For most BF% loss what do you think of Intermittent Fasting diet with these macros(Eating all of it within a 4-6 hour window.) Or would just a regular eating throughout the day diet be more beneficial?
This is what I have built for my training split
RELOAD
1 - Chest, Abs
2 - Delts, Traps
3 - Back, Abs
4 - OFF
5 - Bi's, Tri's, Abs
6 - Legs
7 - OFF
10-12 Sets/6-8 Reps High Volume
Abs will be 6 sets 15-20reps (Lower reps?)
DELOAD
Same Split
4-6 Sets/10-15 Reps Low Volume
Noticed in another post you mentioned to alternate weeks of 1 week 10-12 Sets 6-8 Reps High Volume and 2nd week 4-6 Sets 10-15 Reps Low Volume then repeat. Isn't this the same as Reload/Deload? Or would you just stick to plan I posted above all 8 weeks then lower sets and volume only in deloads?
This is basically everything I've gathered from your reads and I hope I got it all. It's not to detailed but I just want to make sure I'm understanding everything. Appreciate everything you have provided and helped with on here, Great stuff.
Looking forward to hearing back from you Ronnie
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