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    Sorry just noticed typo in first post
    Recap – For optimal preservation of testicular function during cycle, use 250 mcg 2 x a week after 3 weeks of test e. Drop the hCG a week before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG a week after your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG a week before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even drop in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, making for a seamless recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Sorry just noticed typo in first post
    Recap – For optimal preservation of testicular function during cycle, use 250 mcg 2 x a week after 3 weeks of test e. Drop the hCG a week before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG a week after your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG a week before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even drop in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, making for a seamless recovery.
    Can i ask why it's after 3 weeks of test e?

    Also i would be dropping the hcg in week 13 then? this is halfway through the clearance period before commencement of pct yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Sorry just noticed typo in first post
    Recap – For optimal preservation of testicular function during cycle, use 250 mcg 2 x a week after 3 weeks of test e. Drop the hCG a week before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG a week after your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG a week before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even drop in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, making for a seamless recovery.
    is 250mcg the same as 250iu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude View Post
    is 250mcg the same as 250iu?
    Yeah i thought this was just a typo lol.

    So is the third week the right week to start?

    And a week before pct correct time to stop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagethuge View Post
    Yeah i thought this was just a typo lol.

    So is the third week the right week to start?

    And a week before pct correct time to stop?

    Id start it as soon as you start youre cycle. I planned to start it 2 weeks after starting my 1st test e cycle and mine had already shrunk in the 2nd week, feel like a freak with little nads and my misses finds it very amusing

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    Quote Originally Posted by leewil1 View Post
    Id start it as soon as you start youre cycle. I planned to start it 2 weeks after starting my 1st test e cycle and mine had already shrunk in the 2nd week, feel like a freak with little nads and my misses finds it very amusing
    LOL. Did you get them back quick enough?

    Can anyone clarify when hcg should be stopped exactly? I see a few different answers floating around
    I'm thinkin of just running it from the start of test e cycle all the way through and stop right before pct of nolva/clomid. 250 ius x2 per week

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude View Post
    is 250mcg the same as 250iu?
    No mcg is the weight. Iu is a liquid measurement. Depending on how youmix your hcg will yield different iu's of usage. Simply put you. An mix it stronger or weaker depending on how muc bac water you add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    No mcg is the weight. Iu is a liquid measurement. Depending on how youmix your hcg will yield different iu's of usage. Simply put you. An mix it stronger or weaker depending on how muc bac water you add.
    I was under the impression that when bought in powdered form its still labelled 5000iu and then dissolved in say 2ml per bac to make 2500iu per ml.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagethuge View Post
    I was under the impression that when bought in powdered form its still labelled 5000iu and then dissolved in say 2ml per bac to make 2500iu per ml.
    thats correct. with a slin pin that says 1ml, you can draw and shoot 0.1ml for 250iu.

    i start my hcg on day1 of my cycle and stop 3-4days before pct. this means the 2wks wait after the test e or c cycle is included for hcg pinning. it takes 3 days for the effects of hcg to wear off, then i start pct without anymore interference from hcg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude View Post
    thats correct. with a slin pin that says 1ml, you can draw and shoot 0.1ml for 250iu.

    i start my hcg on day1 of my cycle and stop 3-4days before pct. this means the 2wks wait after the test e or c cycle is included for hcg pinning. it takes 3 days for the effects of hcg to wear off, then i start pct without anymore interference from hcg.
    An insulin pin is measured in units, not IU's. IU refers to a dose of a drug, and it is independent of volume. An IU of insulin is the same thing as 1 tick on a slin pin, or 1 unit, or 1/100 of a ml. However, when reconstituting GH, people generally use 1ml of BW per 10iu's of GH, therefore 1 IU of GH will be 10 units. It gets even more complicated with IGF, as IGF is not in any way measured in IU's, you buy IGF by the mg, which is 1000mcg. Generally speaking, you use 1ml of BW per 1000mcg, so every 10 units on a slin pin will be 100mcg of IGF.

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