2nd cycle question

[PowerHouse1900]

Your best bet is to get more Test E and EQ (EQ if you want). If you don't have a source... its really not that hard. If there's a will there's a way. Ask friends to ask friends. I'm prolly gonna catch flack for saying this... I only bring it up bc it was discussed on a "short burst" cycle thread. Short Burst cycles are obviously better with short esters like Propionate or Suspension. But once, when I was uneducated on the matter, I had one bottle of Test Cyp 250... I did 1.5 ml E3D for 3 weeks and put on about 12-13 lbs while eating like a mad man and making each workout count. So, you would benefit greatly if you had more gear, but in my experience, you can make decent gains with one 10 ml bottle of Test. Dose should be higher than only 450mgs a week though. 450 is probably only 250mg of test to 200 mgs of eq. Thats 1 shot every 3.5 days of 125mg Test and 100 EQ. And thats only 5 weeks. You won't see enough muscle growth at such low doses to make it worth it. It would give you a slight edge in the gym, and with proper diet/training, you could see gains. But for all the hassle, and the fact that you'll loose alot of gains during and after pct, I would want to gain the most out of the cycle. I would either get more, or run a quick 3 week, higher dose (700-750mg test week) cycle then proper pct. What is the ratio of Test/EQ?

How much of your 12-13 lbs was fat?>

[Flacco]

How much of your 12-13 lbs was fat?>

I didn't use a fat caliper or anything, but not much. Clean diet. Ate as much as I could all day. I have a fast metabolism and I'm skinny naturally. I wouldn't say I put on that much fat compared to muscle at all.

[PowerHouse1900]

I didn't use a fat caliper or anything, but not much. Clean diet. Ate as much as I could all day. I have a fast metabolism and I'm skinny naturally. I wouldn't say I put on that much fat compared to muscle at all.

Sorry bro , but that's highly unlikely. You would be lucky to gain 4lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks on a long ester. You do a disservice by advocating 3 week cycles using long esters and supporting your advice with exaggerated stats.

[thatguyinthegym]

Sorry bro , but that's highly unlikely. You would be lucky to gain 4lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks on a long ester. You do a disservice by advocating 3 week cycles using long esters and supporting your advice with exaggerated stats.

So keep the dosage lower for a longer amount of time considering it's enanthate?

[PowerHouse1900]

So keep the dosage lower for a longer amount of time considering it's enanthate?

Yes. Long esters need to be run at least 10-12 weeks.

[Flacco]

Sorry bro , but that's highly unlikely. You would be lucky to gain 4lbs of lean mass in 3 weeks on a long ester. You do a disservice by advocating 3 week cycles using long esters and supporting your advice with exaggerated stats.

Don't knock it till you try it. I did it. I gained. If you read back through recent threads on short burst cycles, one of the vets on here even said that you will see gains from longer esters in burst cycles. They can be used but shorter esters are obviously better. If you wanna look for the thread, its had recent posts within the past month and a half. I'm too lazy to look for it. And I know what I know from my own experience. Have you ever tried a 3/4 week cycle of a longer estered test at twice your normal dosage? How is that a diservice? He asked "would there be any benefit?" I took that as "Will I see any gains?" From my experience, you can see good gains from that short of a cycle at the right dose/diet/training/sleep. How would you know I'm exagerating my stats? Plus, if you read my initial response, you'd see that I said "Your best bet is to get more Test E....you would benefit greatly if you had more gear, but in my experience, you can make decent gains with one 10 ml bottle of Test"

[PowerHouse1900]

Don't knock it till you try it. I did it. I gained. If you read back through recent threads on short burst cycles, one of the vets on here even said that you will see gains from longer esters in burst cycles. They can be used but shorter esters are obviously better. If you wanna look for the thread, its had recent posts within the past month and a half. I'm too lazy to look for it. And I know what I know from my own experience. Have you ever tried a 3/4 week cycle of a longer estered test at twice your normal dosage? How is that a diservice? He asked "would there be any benefit?" I took that as "Will I see any gains?" From my experience, you can see good gains from that short of a cycle at the right dose/diet/training/sleep. How would you know I'm exagerating my stats? Plus, if you read my initial response, you'd see that I said "Your best bet is to get more Test E....you would benefit greatly if you had more gear, but in my experience, you can make decent gains with one 10 ml bottle of Test"

That's a lot of words. Two things: First, 3 weeks on a long ester is less than ideal. No one can argue any differently. Sure you can drink a can of coke by funneling it into your nose, but its less than ideal. Second, not ones gaining 12-13 pounds of mostly lean mass in 3 weeks.

[Flacco]

First, 3 weeks on a long ester is less than ideal. Second not ones gaining 12-13 pounds of mostly lean mass in 3 weeks.

1- I agree
2- You said "mostly lean mass" I said "Not much fat"

Again, I wouldn't recomened it over having more gear+lonbger cycle, but OP asked "would there be any benefit?" I took it as he meant "would I see any gains?" From personal experience... you can see good gains with right dosage/training/diet/sleep. And I'd put money on anyone gaining more muscle mass on a 3/4 week, Test 750 mg wkly, long estered burst cycle than what you recomended... 10 weeks at 250mgs a week!

[PowerHouse1900]

1- I agree
2- You said "mostly lean mass" I said "Not much fat"

Again, I wouldn't recomened it over having more gear+lonbger cycle, but OP asked "would there be any benefit?" I took it as he meant "would I see any gains?" From personal experience... you can see good gains with right dosage/training/diet/sleep. And I'd put money on anyone gaining more muscle mass on a 3/4 week, Test 750 mg wkly, long estered burst cycle than what you recomended... 10 weeks at 250mgs a week!

Excellent logic. Im sold. My next cycle is 2500mg test E for 1 week.

[Flacco]

Sorry OP...I don't mean to get into a pissing match with BigTime PowerHouse. Just telling my personal experience. I hope you've gathered enough info to make a good decision. Make sure you have all PCT on hand + HCG and an AI.