looking to get on a winny cycle

[Mpd22]

whatsup everyone im a new member on this site. My name is mark im 5'7 weighing in at 175
i am currently 24 yrs old i have a good 3 years of real weight lifting expierence
but have been lifting weights for 5. I have 10-11 percent body fat and looking to drop
down to 7-8%. Ive been researching for a year now about AAS and decided to join this site
to get more information about them before messing my body up before its to late.

[Noles12]

Winny alone is not a good cycle

[Mpd22]

the only problem is i dont want to add any bloat/water retention, and from what i have researched
i found tren is the only other aas that doesnt cause to much water retention and is just pure muscle but
i know i shouldnt mess with tren on a first cycle. any suggesitons on how i can take winny without adding that
extra bloat by adding another aas

[Noles12]

the only problem is i dont want to add any bloat/water retention, and from what i have researched
i found tren is the only other aas that doesnt cause to much water retention and is just pure muscle but
i know i shouldnt mess with tren on a first cycle. any suggesitons on how i can take winny without adding that
extra bloat by adding another aas

You need to research more. Tren should not even be considered until you have a few cycles under your belt.

Test needs to be the base of a cycle due to the shutting down of natural production. Bloat can be controlled with diet, water intake, and an AI

[Mpd22]

yeah i didnt want to mess with tren yet. I am always researching and will continue to.
i will look more into test. i was always under the impression if i took test
most of it will be bloat and will lose my muscle once im off.

[Noles12]

No matter what you take. Gains will be dependent upon diet and training both on and off

[Mpd22]

alright my diet is on check and training 5 days a week.
im thinking test e should be suitable for a first time cycle stacked with winny.
and will reasearch more on dosages and how to take it right

[hankdiesel]

yeah i didnt want to mess with tren yet. I am always researching and will continue to.
i will look more into test. i was always under the impression if i took test
most of it will be bloat and will lose my muscle once im off.

You are way off on this on buddy. If you eat right and drink plenty of water you shouldn't have any bloat at all.

[hankdiesel]

alright my diet is on check and training 5 days a week.
im thinking test e should be suitable for a first time cycle stacked with winny.
and will reasearch more on dosages and how to take it right

Leave the winny alone. Trust me, you don't need it! It'll take your hdl down into the single digits.....and for what? It'd not going to make you look more cut. I believe it's only real use is right before a contest when a bodybuilders bf is extremely low. It helps give the muscles a harder look. You'll see great results with test only and a solid diet.

[Mpd22]

alright well given you guys been around a while, i should take up on your adivce,
thanks for your input ill be looking more into test

[dmk327]

Lol yah take winstrol and you'll magically drop from 16% to 8% bodyfat and be jacked. Run the 100 meters for a new record while your at it.

[Mpd22]

Im at 10% dmk327 im already dieting,
I just need that extra kick to harden me up
And shed a little more fat, i dont think
Anything i said made it seam like i was a
An idiot. People like you must be on here
Just to make stupid remarks

[dmk327]

How are you so sure? I know a lot of people who think they are this bf% and that a particular drug like winstrol will get them shredded. In the end you can achieve whatever look you choose on any drug it.really comes down to diet and cardio.

[castiron]

"cutting steroids" are only called that because they tend to dry people out as opposed to cause bloat, they arent really fat burners in the traditional sense. Although AAS will make you burn more calories, which effectively leans you out if your diet looks good and you train right. Just make sure you take an AI and drink h2o with diet+training.

[Mpd22]

Ive used body calipers and other instruments and you can see my abs already
im just trying to lose a little baby fat and harden everything up
yes i know diet and cardio is key which i already do
i just wanted that extra edge to make me look solid.

[Mpd22]

And i drink at least a gallon of water everday

[dmk327]

Cool well it sounds like your definitely on the right track then. I know many.people that have no business getting on anabolics (ie >20% bodyfat) thinking that they will magically burn away fat in 8 weeks and get shredded. Just realise a winny only cycle will.suppress the hpta and not to mention the other issues of running dht based gear if you are at risk to develop any dht induced complications.

[Mpd22]

Well i read a lot of threads and its best to definelty use. test for first cycle and throw winny in there,
With proper precautions of course

[Gi812Many]

If you dont want a bunch of bloat, reduce your Test intake along with something like Winstrol. Im about to start cutting this next go round. Dropping my test from a 1.5g to .75g, running Masteron at 600mgs/weekly and 75mgs Winstrol/daily along with T3. But my diet is going to suck, meaning on point and my training routine will switch up a bit, meaning upping cardio. Also another great read if your contemplating taking hepatoxic supplements is on TUDCA, I had some liver issues this round myself...got lazy on protecting it. Reminded me on how quickly your body can react negatively to certain compounds. This is one of the top sites for covering nearly every aspect of using AAS, suggest you spend plenty of time reading on any subject you see yourself being in.