Best possible cycle for someone for a 21 y/o?

[Wazzap]

I might run a simple AAS cycle when I'm 21 y/o (depending on how much I'll be gaining the next 2 years). Like anyone else I want to hurt my hormonal system the least I can and thus I'm seeking the best possible cycle/duration/pct. Does this look alright:

-500mg test e ew (1-10wk)
-50mg Winstrol ed (1-4wk)
-2x250iu hcg ew (1-10wk)
-10mg nolva ed

pct:

-20mg nolvadex ed (12-15wk)
-clomid (12-15wk)

Is hcg recommended/beneficial for total recovery? Will my test go back to pre cycle(ish) levels with proper PCT? I'm not looking to get flamed for my age, I now it's kinda young. Any suggestions/tips to make it the best possible cycle with the best succes rates for recovery?


Thanks in advance.

[Wazzap]

lol just noticed the title..

should be ''Best possible cycle for a 21 y/o?''

[marcus300]

Don't shut your natural text down at your age, use what you have and don't risk low test for life. Even 100mgs per wk will shut down your test so learn how to grow without steriods because if you can't grow at your age naturally your wasting your time using aas.


There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[Wazzap]

Don't shut your natural text down at your age, use what you have and don't risk low test for life. Even 100mgs per wk will shut down your test so learn how to grow without steriods because if you can't grow at your age naturally your wasting your time using aas.


There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Thanks alot for the elaborate post bro. I read alot of your stickies so I was aware of the dangers.

But let's say I decide to use it because you know, I'm young, dumb and stubborn. Can someone help me out to make it as safe as possible?

[marcus300]

There isn't a safe cycle at your age.

How much do you weight?

What's your height?

[Wazzap]

There isn't a safe cycle at your age.

How much do you weight?

What's your height?

171lbs, 5'11'' at around 13% bf. (started at 127lbs)

I've been training for roughly 1,5 years now.

[< <Samson> >]

Food-a-bol


171 @ 5'11" is not big at all.


Just eat dead lift and fvck chix.

[Misery13]

I think this is a joke. Doesn't seem to serious to me.

[Wazzap]

I think this is a joke. Doesn't seem to serious to me.

I assure you it is not.

[marcus300]

If you can't gain weight at your age and your weight by diet only you won't be able to when you come off cycle because you don't have a diet what can support any new tissue. So your wasting your time money and your natural test. Learn how to eat to grow and don't think a injection or tablet will solve your issue because they won't.

[Misery13]

I assure you it is not.

well it should be since you ask for advice than don't take it. Especially from someone as knowledgable as marcus.

[< <Samson> >]

These kids are crazy. . . . 18 and up(some even younger) & want to get into juice.


I still see em' at the gym every time. Come on, 18 and you are bigger than a guy who's 35+ and been training for over a decade.

[Wazzap]

well it should be since you ask for advice than don't take it. Especially from someone as knowledgable as marcus.

I'm looking for cycle advice, I know the dangers that come along with it.

I'd like to minimize the dangers so that's why I'm asking here.

[< <Samson> >]

Just a question. . . . What's better, a weighing a bit more and looking a bit more solid. Or, losing a working dick for a undetermined period of time?

I am not being an ass. Just want to know, even at 31 this shit hits you like a brick wall.

[Capebuffalo]

To minimize the danger take the advice that has been given. Don't do it. Otherwise move on youngster.

[ozzie43]

You're too young and will only harm your body which hasn't completely matured yet. Wait 4-5 years. This is not a sprint to the finish line.

[marcus300]

I'm looking for cycle advice, I know the dangers that come along with it.

I'd like to minimize the dangers so that's why I'm asking here.

Your not eating correctly so it doesn't matter if you cycle or not you won't gain or support any new tissue.

You take steriods you will shut down your own production what's not fully developed yet, and what for? Nothing because you don't know how to eat so its pointless.

[fullboost]

You might of seen my thread/s. But i was in the same boat as you, didn't listen, bought all the gear (enough for 2 cycles in fact). Pinned twice, then thought - what the *** am i doing, i'm far too young (21) and decided to wait.

The only beneficial advise i was given in regards to the least harmful approach was to use test prop, as you can do an 8 week cycle and begin PCT a few days after your last pin.

[sharmabrah]

I'm only twenty and on a sick cycle called strict dietabol and intense trainingbuterol! It's insane man you should try it out!

[MuscleInk]

Your not eating correctly so it doesn't matter if you cycle or not you won't gain or support any new tissue.

You take steriods you will shut down your own production what's not fully developed yet, and what for? Nothing because you don't know how to eat so its pointless.

Seriously!?! I have this conversation weekly with younger guys who THINK they have their diet dialed in. It's the hardest part. Sticking yourself with junk is easy but reckless if you don't have a solid diet plan. You'll have NO sustainable gains and you'll destroy yourself.

Listen to the sound advice of the vets. They DO in fact know what they are talking about!

[lovbyts]

I'm looking for cycle advice, I know the dangers that come along with it.

I'd like to minimize the dangers so that's why I'm asking here.

Whats the best type of gun and amo to use to minimize the risk of being left a vegetable?
What's the best rope to use in hanging yourself to not cause chaffing or possible only partial suffixation?
What's the best pills to use to OD?

Whats the best way? Get the point? There is no best answer.

[hankdiesel]

In your profile it says you're 18. What's up dude? I feel if you were big enough and have lifted consistent for at least 4 years possibly a test only cycle could be in order. But, there is never an instance where an 18 year-old should hop on juice.

[Wazzap]

In your profile it says you're 18. What's up dude? I feel if you were big enough and have lifted consistent for at least 4 years possibly a test only cycle could be in order. But, there is never an instance where an 18 year-old should hop on juice.

Read the OP bro.

I might run a simple AAS cycle when I'm 21 y/o (depending on how much I'll be gaining the next 2 years).

I'm not going to hop on the juice now. I'm not that stupid. By the time I'm 21 I'll be training 3,5 years so that might be a decent time to start, or not, judging by the reactions here.

I had hoped to get some cycle advise here instead of the age bashing.

[traindude]

I might run a simple AAS cycle when I'm 21 y/o (depending on how much I'll be gaining the next 2 years). Like anyone else I want to hurt my hormonal system the least I can and thus I'm seeking the best possible cycle/duration/pct. Does this look alright:

-500mg test e ew (1-10wk)
-50mg Winstrol ed (1-4wk)
-2x250iu hcg ew (1-10wk)
-10mg nolva ed

pct:

-20mg nolvadex ed (12-15wk)
-clomid (12-15wk)

Is hcg recommended/beneficial for total recovery? Will my test go back to pre cycle(ish) levels with proper PCT? I'm not looking to get flamed for my age, I now it's kinda young. Any suggestions/tips to make it the best possible cycle with the best succes rates for recovery?


Thanks in advance.

If you do not want to be a professional bbers,forget it.Wait till 25 years old.The risk is high and you might have not that motivation to lift more weights,and you may change your priorty.Wake up at 6:00 AM isnt fun,and cooking all my shits really bored myself.I hate cooking,I hate eating so frequently I love lifting tho...

[fullboost]

I'll say what someone said to me, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna it regardless of your age.
As i said earlier, i changed my mind at the last minute and stopped after 2 pins. However, a few people did recommend if i was going to cycle anything, that one - it should be a test only cycle, and two, if i didn't mind pinning every other day - run test prop for the following reasons:

1. It's a short ester, so you can run an 8 week cycle and see great gains without waiting 5-6 weeks with test-e and test-c. This way your full cycle including PCT would last for around 12 weeks, as opposed to up to 18 if running a 12 week test e or c cycle - meaning your system would be shutdown for less time
2. For the same reason, you can start PCT earlier - 3-4 days after your last pin, as opposed to 3 weeks.
3. Again, for the same reason, if you experience sides and want to stop, 3-4 days after your last pin you can run a PCT and stop.

I'm not saying do it, I'm just telling you what you want to hear.
That's exactly what I wanted to hear when i asked here, and that's a summary of what i was told, however as i've stated - I decided to hold back.

[Wazzap]

I'll say what someone said to me, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna it regardless of your age.
As i said earlier, i changed my mind at the last minute and stopped after 2 pins. However, a few people did recommend if i was going to cycle anything, that one - it should be a test only cycle, and two, if i didn't mind pinning every other day - run test prop for the following reasons:

1. It's a short ester, so you can run an 8 week cycle and see great gains without waiting 5-6 weeks with test-e and test-c. This way your full cycle including PCT would last for around 12 weeks, as opposed to up to 18 if running a 12 week test e or c cycle - meaning your system would be shutdown for less time
2. For the same reason, you can start PCT earlier - 3-4 days after your last pin, as opposed to 3 weeks.
3. Again, for the same reason, if you experience sides and want to stop, 3-4 days after your last pin you can run a PCT and stop.

I'm not saying do it, I'm just telling you what you want to hear.
That's exactly what I wanted to hear when i asked here, and that's a summary of what i was told, however as i've stated - I decided to hold back.

Thanks bro. That's stuff I'm looking for. However, I'm not even sure if I'll ever cycle. It's just that when I do it (by the time I'm 21) I want to be fully prepared and know the ins and outs.

Why did you stop though? Interesting to read since we're in the same boat.

[marcus300]

Thanks bro. That's stuff I'm looking for. However, I'm not even sure if I'll ever cycle. It's just that when I do it (by the time I'm 21) I want to be fully prepared and know the ins and outs.

Why did you stop though? Interesting to read since we're in the same boat.

That's it take the advice from a 21yr who doesn't know anything about aas,

You carry on take aa much as you like and all the preventions you like but don't post here when you can get s hard on, lossing weight and got depression. Fill you boots kid

What a waste of time

[fullboost]

Basically, I kept doing research and got a little paranoid (probably rightly so) and decided that however good i might look now, it's not gonna be worth having a limp dick and possibly ending up on TRT by the time i'm 40

[fullboost]

That's it take the advice from a 21yr who doesn't know anything about aas,

You carry on take aa much as you like and all the preventions you like but don't post here when you can get s hard on, lossing weight and got depression. Fill you boots kid

What a waste of time

I'm not stating he should do it. I'm just saying that was the advice given to me as prop would require you being shutdown for less time.

[Wazzap]

That's it take the advice from a 21yr who doesn't know anything about aas,

You carry on take aa much as you like and all the preventions you like but don't post here when you can get s hard on, lossing weight and got depression. Fill you boots kid

What a waste of time

Calm down man. I was just saying that's the advice I'm looking for, instead of ''you're 21 and too young''. I know it's too young, I know it's more dangerous, etc etc.

I'm only looking for the safest possible cycle and PCT, If I'm ever gonna do it and I would be glad if some people could help.

[fullboost]

You're doing what I did though. It might be the safest, but as someone earlier posted, it's a bit like saying what's the safest way to shoot yourself in the foot?

[traindude]

Why young guys want to get so huge?AAS wont make you shredded and it can make you big!big!big!not ripped! ripped! ripped!

[lestat85]

It sounds a lot like you already have your mind made up.
You asked the safest cycle and have now been told many times that the safest cycle at that age is none at all.
At your age you have the ability to naturally make huge gains and should take the advice of the experienced members and just forget about doing any cycles for now.
If its something you really want, keep studying and learning and make your decision after 25.

[Bonaparte]

Why young guys want to get so huge?AAS wont make you shredded and it can make you big!big!big!not ripped! ripped! ripped!

What the hell are you talking about?

[marcus300]

I'm not stating he should do it. I'm just saying that was the advice given to me as prop would require you being shutdown for less time.

Well you shouldn't give advice on a subject what you have no idea about. Being shutdown down means shutdown.

Don't give advice unless you have experience because your so called advice could cause serious implications for him.

[fullboost]

This is just what was told to me, Apologies if i was misleading.

[ghettoboyd]

I'm not stating he should do it. I'm just saying that was the advice given to me as prop would require you being shutdown for less time.

by spoon feeding him the information you infact condone his use cus what else is he going to do when someone tells him what he wanted to hear but to do it...thats all he was looking for was some validation to his rediculous plan...nice work...

[S2King1223]

I'm 23 y/o . 5'10 203 at ~10% bf. got here with a lot of hard work drug free. Still waiting another year to hop on an AAS. I know patience will be worth it and I will blow up how I want to. Just hold off a bit longer.

[Wazzap]

by spoon feeding him the information you infact condone his use cus what else is he going to do when someone tells him what he wanted to hear but to do it...thats all he was looking for was some validation to his rediculous plan...nice work...

Are you serious? Spoonfeeding? Dude what the f*ck. I've already done months of research.

Also ''ridiculous plan''? You act like I'm the first 21 y/o using AAS. seriously wtf

[lestat85]

Just because you're not the first, does not make it a smart or good idea. You have been told by everyone in this thread that it is a bad idea. Even the guy who gave you the cycle advice admits that it was a bad idea and that he should have listened when he was warned.

If you do not wish to take the advice of the members here, then don't bother posting. Take the advice, they are not trying to hold you back, but rather are looking out for your health and safety.