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Ron, What's your thoughts & opinions about casein protein (especially the two best & undenaturated form which are micellar casein & milk protein isolate)?

My concern is that whey is a fast acting protein (which lasts only 60-120 mins in our body) where as egg whites is medium acting protein which lasts 3-4 hours in our body. BTW casein is the slowest acting protein which lasts 6-7 hours in our body.
Since you recommend taking a scoop of whey protein powder + a cup of egg whites (equaling 50 grams of protein) for between meals & last meal of the day in SLINGSHOT DIET. Do we need to incorporate casein protein (either micellar casein or milk protein isolate) for between meals & last meal of the day in blends of whey protein & egg whites to stay in anabolic state & keep protein nitrogen balance longer?

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Hi Ron,
I think you missed my post regarding casein, egg, whey in the pages before : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...04#post6077704

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, What's your thoughts & opinions about casein protein (especially the two best & undenaturated form which are micellar casein & milk protein isolate)? Everyone can react different to various types of proteins-and this includes casein, whey and egg whites. You obviosuly need a protein source that prevents giving you excessive gas, irritable bowel syndrome, heart burn, stomach bloat while at the same time being low in cholesterol and affordable. Chewing meat takes time and most of us do not have the time or desire to chew meat 5-6 times per day not do we want the cholesterol contained there- in. Many protein powders on the market are also full of choleterol. Casein is very expensive and not regulated by the FDA so there's no guarantee what you are getting. I quit using all protein powders and rely mostly on liquid egg whites for my protein source and I have made better gains but some get gassed up from them and have to use them sparingly while relying more on other protein sources such as whey isolate protein mixed with fats. Liquid Egg whites are Cheaper than casein and have a 100% bioavailability. Bioavailability is a measure of how much of the protein’s aminos actually make it to the actual muscles themselves. A score of 100 means that the protein meets the amino acid and digestibility requirements for humans!


Although the digestion rate of liquid egg whites aren't as slow as casein, when you add in some fats (my preference is peanut butter)
it's released slower making it perfect for a continued supply of protein throughout the night. Obviously, you would skip the fats immediately following your workout. This rule applies to all protein sources- "adding some fats in there slows down the digestion rate". Also, you can do a mixture various proteins such as liquid egg whites, whey isolate and/or casein while adding fats to slow digestion rate..

My concern is that whey is a fast acting protein (which lasts only 60-120 mins in our body) where as egg whites is medium acting protein which lasts 3-4 hours in our body. BTW casein is the slowest acting protein which lasts 6-7 hours in our body.
Since you recommend taking a scoop of whey protein powder + a cup of egg whites (equaling 50 grams of protein) for between meals & last meal of the day in SLINGSHOT DIET. Do we need to incorporate casein protein (either micellar casein or milk protein isolate) for between meals & last meal of the day in blends of whey protein & egg whites to stay in anabolic state & keep protein nitrogen balance longer?

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[Dtrain17]

Hey thanks for answering my questions, you didn't say anything about this "Dell" drug but I never heard of it also so idk. Anyways I wanted to know being an ectomorph, if I should seperate carbs and fats at all, apparently if you do that it allows you to kind of eat more calories?

[Dtrain17]

I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle, just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two.
If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle, just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

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[alex.mitev]

Hey , I have recently read this whole thread. I`m at the end of my cycle whereas i tried to bulk the first 4 weeks and now trying to get leaner for another 4. Currently I`m on 200 gr rice (breakfast and post workout around 8 pm ), 50 olive oil, 80 gr almonds , before bed, 9 egg whites, one whole egg, 50 gr whey protein, 900 gr chicken breasts. Workout 4 times a week, 20 min of cardio 7 days a week, my sixpack is showing now. I`m 87 kg, 185 cm, 27 years of age. Here`s what i`ve been using :

1-8 test prop 400 mg weeklt
1-7 50 mg stanozol daily
6-8 (3 weeks) - tren acetat 0.5 ml daily (1ml contains 75 mg)
1-8 50 mg proviron daily
6-8 10mg tamoxifen daily
Also I`m running LDN 1mg before going to bed. Respond really well - no testicular shrinkage whatsoever, no low sex drive, nothing.
Vitamin b6 50 mg daily
1-6 t3 (really eats lots of muscle) 3 weeks 25 mg, 2 weeks 50 mg, 1 week 12.5 mg. I`ll quit tomorrow.

I would like to run 20 weeks cycle as recommended here in order to put LEAN mass with the next 10 weeks.
I`m considering running test enan 500 mg weekly + boldenone 400 mg weekly + proviron 50 mg daily. How it looks like?:

9-10 250 mg test enan deload
REload
11-18 500 mg test enan
11-18 400 mg boldenone
11-20 50 mg proviron daily
Keep on using B6
11-20 tamoxifen 20 mg daily
HOw long should i continue the LDN? till week 23?

I have two more weeks on prop and tren and i think i will be able to come down to 9-10 % BF.
Once deload starts weeks 9-10 i would like to start slowly bulking lean mass while maintaining the BF.
How do i up the carbs? Should i get the fats lower?

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey , I have recently read this whole thread. I`m at the end of my cycle whereas i tried to bulk the first 4 weeks and now trying to get leaner for another 4. Currently I`m on 200 gr rice (breakfast and post workout around 8 pm ), 50 olive oil, 80 gr almonds , before bed, 9 egg whites, one whole egg, 50 gr whey protein, 900 gr chicken breasts. Workout 4 times a week, 20 min of cardio 7 days a week, my sixpack is showing now. I`m 87 kg, 185 cm, 27 years of age. Here`s what i`ve been using :

1-8 test prop 400 mg weeklt
1-7 50 mg stanozol daily
6-8 (3 weeks) - tren acetat 0.5 ml daily (1ml contains 75 mg)
1-8 50 mg proviron daily
6-8 10mg tamoxifen daily
Also I`m running LDN 1mg before going to bed. Respond really well - no testicular shrinkage whatsoever, no low sex drive, nothing.
Vitamin b6 50 mg daily
1-6 t3 (really eats lots of muscle) 3 weeks 25 mg, 2 weeks 50 mg, 1 week 12.5 mg. I`ll quit tomorrow.

I would like to run 20 weeks cycle as recommended here in order to put LEAN mass with the next 10 weeks.
I`m considering running test enan 500 mg weekly + boldenone 400 mg weekly + proviron 50 mg daily. How it looks like?:

9-10 250 mg test enan deload
REload
11-18 500 mg test enan INCREASE TO 750 MGS WEEKLY
11-18 400 mg boldenone INCREASE TO A MINIMUM OF 600 MGS WEEKLY
11-20 50 mg proviron daily
Keep on using B6
11-20 tamoxifen 20 mg daily
HOw long should i continue the LDN? till week 23? What LDN are you referring to? The only one I know of is low dose naltrexone.

I have two more weeks on prop and tren and i think i will be able to come down to 9-10 % BF.
Once deload starts weeks 9-10 i would like to start slowly bulking lean mass while maintaining the BF.
How do i up the carbs? INCREASE BY 50 WEEKLY UNTIL YOU START GAINING TOO MUCH BODY FAT THEN BACK OFF A BIT FROM THERE AND HOLD. Should i get the fats lower? I would decrease fats if you are increasing carbs unless you are ectomorphic and have issues gaining weight.

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dtrain17;6089306]Hey thanks for answering my questions, you didn't say anything about this "Dell" drug but I never heard of it also so idk. The only DELL I know of is a computer so whatever it is you are talking about I would steer clear if it lowers blood presure! Anyways I wanted to know being an ectomorph, if I should seperate carbs and fats at all, apparently if you do that it allows you to kind of eat more calories? Slow burning carbohydrates are your best friend being an ectomorph because they slowly convert to sugar-hence keeping your appetite good all day long. On the other hands healthy fats are also very important because they contain over twice as many calories per gram than any other macronutrient. You already know protein is important but many ectomorphs find they can only eat around 1 gram per pound of body weight in order to stomach enough carbohydrates to put on weight. Remember, protein bloats you up and lowers appetite! Also, the thermic effect of protein can actually further speed up your metabolism. Try and get most of your calories from from healthy carbohydrates and add in healthy fats from there as needed to help gain weight. Having a high carb and fat meal combo for breakfast and before bed time will help you gain weight, especially before going to bed! If you still have trouble gaining weight add fats to your lunch to boost caloric intake. Other than that focus on clean carbs to keep appetite high and of course keep protein between 1-1.5 grmas per pound of BW depending on what you can stomach.. /QUOTE]above