Keeping hard earned gains after a cycle

[gixxerboy1]

guys edit your post. there is no price discussion aloud

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

Jesus that's cheap. I must be getting ripped off. I'm paying *way too ****ing much* per 10ml bottle (250mg per 1ml) Test-E.

Jesus christ dude... where do you live?

guys edit your post. there is no price discussion aloud

my bad, edited

[lovbyts]

any bets of if these 2 jokers make it to the end of the day before being banned?

[tboney]

any bets of if these 2 jokers make it to the end of the day before being banned?

There are three of them.... Giving dangerous advice in a few cases... Why are they still here??? Admin or a mod used to be all over this shit?????

[PaynESTER]

how is it dangerous advice

you guys cycle on and off multiple times a year

thats taking a massive toll on your body

going back and fourth like a swing.

[thex95]

Looks like paynESTER caused such a stir we lost focus haha.

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THE THREAD----------------------------------------------------------------------->

For maintaining gains post cycle I believe a few things are most important.

1) do not cut immediately after a cycle. I know a lot of guys due this due to the excess fat gains while on cycle if they are going for a super bulk. I personally believe this to be a big mistake as your already going to be losing size due to going off, so continue to train/eat like your bulking.

2) Use HCG while on cycle. This will make recovery a lot faster and easier meaning you body swill start producing test again a lot quicker assisting in holding on to gains.

3) Eat above your TDEE. Like I said your body will already be reducing a size in bit so combat that by eating a bit above maintenance (I would personally say 500 calories over as you don't want to go to high or else you will increase fat gains, especially post cycle.)

4) Continue to hit the gym hard. I know this sounds extremely obvious but I know there are guys out there that lose that mental edge once they are off. It's like the motivation just goes out the dam window. Keep yourself motivated and try to lift like you're on.

5) Proper PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. This will make recovery a lot faster and smoother.

6) Get blood work done. If after PCT your still low on test you may have to take additional steps in ensuring your body once again produces its natural test levels.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

[tboney]

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THE THREAD----------------------------------------------------------------------->

For maintaining gains post cycle I believe a few things are most important.

1) do not cut immediately after a cycle. I know a lot of guys due this due to the excess fat gains while on cycle if they are going for a super bulk. I personally believe this to be a big mistake as your already going to be losing size due to going off, so continue to train/eat like your bulking.

2) Use HCG while on cycle. This will make recovery a lot faster and easier meaning you body swill start producing test again a lot quicker assisting in holding on to gains.

3) Eat above your TDEE. Like I said your body will already be reducing a size in bit so combat that by eating a bit above maintenance (I would personally say 500 calories over as you don't want to go to high or else you will increase fat gains, especially post cycle.)

4) Continue to hit the gym hard. I know this sounds extremely obvious but I know there are guys out there that lose that mental edge once they are off. It's like the motivation just goes out the dam window. Keep yourself motivated and try to lift like you're on.

5) Proper PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. This will make recovery a lot faster and smoother.

6) Get blood work done. If after PCT your still low on test you may have to take additional steps in ensuring your body once again produces its natural test levels.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.


For mainting size

Good advice.

[PaynESTER]

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

i bet ive done and know more research than you.

thats all i do every chance i get..is research about juice, nutrition, bodybuilding

edit- to put in perspective, ive been researching on one site for

4 days 5 hours 23 mins.

you add up how many hours that is.

[gixxerboy1]

yea but your are listening to a moron for your research. Its like researching marriage at a strip bar

[PaynESTER]

yea but your are listening to a moron for your research. Its like researching marriage at a strip bar

lol

im open to many ideas bro. not the only person i research.."FISH KILLER" is very helpful too.

and doesnt blast PCT PCT PCT

[gixxerboy1]

lol

im open to many ideas bro. not the only person i research.."FISH KILLER" is very helpful too.

and doesnt blast PCT PCT PCT

the problem is you are talking like everyone wants to compete.
yes blasting and cruising has its place. But its not for everyone.
So for the average user pct is a better choice.
Your just being narrow minded.

[PaynESTER]

the problem is you are talking like everyone wants to compete.
yes blasting and cruising has its place. But its not for everyone.
So for the average user pct is a better choice.
Your just being narrow minded.

you under estimate the power of the human body.

it will recover from this.

hell I KNOW PEOPLE who took test. started at 162 lbs finished at 185

NO PCT lost down to 178.

sounds like a damn good job to me.

[gixxerboy1]

you under estimate the power of the human body.

it will recover from this.

hell I KNOW PEOPLE who took test. started at 162 lbs finished at 185

NO PCT lost down to 178.

sounds like a damn good job to me.

i thought by your previous post they everyone looses everything if they come off?
Yes some people can get away with no pct. Not everyone can. Thats what you dont get. You have a limited view

[PaynESTER]

that is to me losing everything.

thats a good 7 lbs you could have kept if you cycled lower test.

my point is PCT is not needed you can recover just fine "naturally" -- funny isnt it?

you must really think the human body is a shitty machine.

we must be going extinct soon.

you must also think that eating 5-6 small meals increases metabolism therefore making you burn more fat?

and must take whey protein post workout for the anabolic window ....lmao

edit - and your body cannot consume more than 30 grams a protein at a time..hahaha

[gixxerboy1]

then why didnt i recover fine just naturally?
Why are there guys that have to go on trt?

[PaynESTER]

how did you not recover naturally?

explain what happen. thats vague.

ive gone off cold turkey before. lost size which is gonna happen as i said. when you are on juice you keep everything.

and i was just fine.

Penis worked even better than before!

[tboney]

how did you not recover naturally?

explain what happen. thats vague.

ive gone off cold turkey before. lost size which is gonna happen as i said. when you are on juice you keep everything.

and i was just fine.

Penis worked even better than before!

Wait! You have a penis??

[tboney]

Sorry! I know its not productive but I just couldnt resist.....

[gixxerboy1]

how did you not recover naturally?

explain what happen. thats vague.

ive gone off cold turkey before. lost size which is gonna happen as i said. when you are on juice you keep everything.

and i was just fine.

Penis worked even better than before!

i felt like shit, tired. I got blood work done my total test was 180.

[PaynESTER]

now, who wouldnt feel like shit after running something that makes you feel like superman?

[PaynESTER]

Wait! You have a penis??

wait doyouevenlift?

[PaynESTER]

"
you must also think that eating 5-6 small meals increases metabolism therefore making you burn more fat?

and must take whey protein post workout for the anabolic window ....lmao

edit - and your body cannot consume more than 30 grams a protein at a time..hahaha"

answer those gixxer

please enlighten me my fellow scholar.

[gixxerboy1]

forget its like talking to a wall.

[gixxerboy1]

"
you must also think that eating 5-6 small meals increases metabolism therefore making you burn more fat?

and must take whey protein post workout for the anabolic window ....lmao

edit - and your body cannot consume more than 30 grams a protein at a time..hahaha"

answer those gixxer

please enlighten me my fellow scholar.

no i dont believe all that

[PaynESTER]

no i dont believe all that

thank you, there is light at the end of the tunnel <3

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

any bets of if these 2 jokers make it to the end of the day before being banned?

Banned for what? Knowledgeable members talking down to people that speak out against what you guys parrot all day long like sheep? Yeah, sounds like a bannable offense to me. *rollseyes*

There are three of them.... Giving dangerous advice in a few cases... Why are they still here??? Admin or a mod used to be all over this shit?????

Once again... admins and mods banning people because they're giving conflicting opinions? You're telling me that shutting your system down, kickstarting it, shutting it down, kickstarting it, rinse and repeat 20 more times is better for you than keeping your body in homeostasis?

While I do agree that some people don't want to compete and don't want to get as big as blasting and cruising allows, there are people on this site who have run 8-10-20+ cycles... something tells me they want to get big and are never as big as they want to be if they're still cycling... so why are you feeding them this nonsense that will only hold them back from their goals?

[gixxerboy1]

no one will be banned for having a different opinion. people still need to act civil if they have a different view.

I was say most people doing 8+ cycles are blasting and cruising at that point.

A lot of our members or the people posting in this section arent at that point. So giving out advice to stay on all the time on a first cycle isnt really good advice.

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

no one will be banned for having a different opinion. people still need to act civil if they have a different view.

I was say most people doing 8+ cycles are blasting and cruising at that point.

A lot of our members or the people posting in this section arent at that point. So giving out advice to stay on all the time on a first cycle isnt really good advice.

After doing a lot more reading around here... I wouldn't suggest half these people even touch juice in the first place, never mind consider staying on.

And not because it's unhealthy, but because the knowledge these guys have before using is next to nil. It's depressing, actually...

When I started my run I had no intentions of staying on, but after seeing how much you have to gain from staying on, and how much you have to lose from coming off it was a no brainer. The difference was, I knew a ton about what I was doing before I ever touched it, and when I decided not to come off all I had to do was brush up on cruising protocols, which are really simple.

If more people here knew about what they were using, how to counter the sides, and how to keep themselves as healthy as possible while on it would be a no brainer... but this site apparently harbors all the people who don't want to do any research before they jump on.

[NaturalJohnny]

What do you guys cruise on? How much do you need year round to keep your size? I have a prescription for 200mg per week. How much mass can one typically hold onto at that amount?

[PaynESTER]

What do you guys cruise on? How much do you need year round to keep your size? I have a prescription for 200mg per week. How much mass can one typically hold onto at that amount?

Cruise dose can be lower

I cruise on 250mg

[Dytum]

Absolutely dependent on your natural genetic potential, and your dedication to feeding your body to keep it the same way with diet and work. If say you got larger than your body your you could ever sustain with diet and work...you will for sure lose that much, without additional help. The natural body can only do so much

[Brohim]

Cruise dose can be lower

THe body recover's probably better at your age. When you get older the body doesn't work as well as it used to. So you might need some "PCT". BTW you guys totally derailed the OP post.

[Brohim]

Any advice, tricks, tips on keeping hard earned gains after a cycle?

10 weeks: 500mg a week Test-E / 800mg a week Primo / 0.25mg Armidex EOD / 500iu HCG a week

Post: Nolva 40/40/20/20 - Clomid 100/100/50/50

I would blast some HCG 1,000iu E4D for 2 weeks while test clear's. Then start your clomid/nolva. Keep cals up. How many cycles do you do per year?

[Judah]

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THE THREAD----------------------------------------------------------------------->

For maintaining gains post cycle I believe a few things are most important.

1) do not cut immediately after a cycle. I know a lot of guys due this due to the excess fat gains while on cycle if they are going for a super bulk. I personally believe this to be a big mistake as your already going to be losing size due to going off, so continue to train/eat like your bulking.

2) Use HCG while on cycle. This will make recovery a lot faster and easier meaning you body swill start producing test again a lot quicker assisting in holding on to gains.

3) Eat above your TDEE. Like I said your body will already be reducing a size in bit so combat that by eating a bit above maintenance (I would personally say 500 calories over as you don't want to go to high or else you will increase fat gains, especially post cycle.)

4) Continue to hit the gym hard. I know this sounds extremely obvious but I know there are guys out there that lose that mental edge once they are off. It's like the motivation just goes out the dam window. Keep yourself motivated and try to lift like you're on.

5) Proper PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. This will make recovery a lot faster and smoother.

6) Get blood work done. If after PCT your still low on test you may have to take additional steps in ensuring your body once again produces its natural test levels.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

Solid, good input on the coloric intake after ending cycle. Makes perfect sense.

[Judah]

I would blast some HCG 1,000iu E4D for 2 weeks while test clear's. Then start your clomid/nolva. Keep cals up. How many cycles do you do per year?

First time I have been told to blast hcg post cycle for 2 weeks while test is clearing. Makes perfect sense, I like it. Can i just continue doing 500iu instead of 1,000iu for those 2 weeks?

[lovbyts]

Banned for what? Knowledgeable members talking down to people that speak out against what you guys parrot all day long like sheep? Yeah, sounds like a bannable offense to me. *rollseyes*

I dont need to parot, You will have the same experience as me in about another 30 years. Most of us realize you are just another stupid kid who thinks he knows everything like many of us did at your age but as time goes on we realize just how little we knew and wished we had listened to those who had more real life experience than us. We have several more intelegent young members who have listened and are willing to learn from their friends mistakes and our advise. What can you learn from having some friends who did this and that and are all fine when they are 18-22, thats nothing. Check in again when they are 30+ Many here can contest to having problems later down the roard.

Once again... admins and mods banning people because they're giving conflicting opinions? You're telling me that shutting your system down, kickstarting it, shutting it down, kickstarting it, rinse and repeat 20 more times is better for you than keeping your body in homeostasis?

While I do agree that some people don't want to compete and don't want to get as big as blasting and cruising allows, there are people on this site who have run 8-10-20+ cycles... something tells me they want to get big and are never as big as they want to be if they're still cycling... so why are you feeding them this nonsense that will only hold them back from their goals?

Yeah it's called RULES and the Admin gets to make them, change them and carry out banning as he pleases even if you think it's unfair. It's his/their site, not yours. I have seen a lot worse on other sites where even long time members get banned because they report a bogus source who happens to be a sponsor. How fair is that? Either way it doesnt matter, if you dont like how it is find another sandbox. I have seen many like you and your clone come and go here. You will be short lived trying to spread your (Cough) wisdom.

[PaynESTER]

Cough wisdom my dad has been working out as long as you and talks about blasting and cruising.
And he's healthy as a horse just got blood work done.


I'll follow his wisdom you know
He's obviously doin it right.

Since he's 5 foot 8
250 lbs

And like I said blood work a okay.

[sharmabrah]

Cough wisdom my dad has been working out as long as you and talks about blasting and cruising.
And he's healthy as a horse just got blood work done.


I'll follow his wisdom you know
He's obviously doin it right.

Since he's 5 foot 8
250 lbs

And like I said blood work a okay.

****ING LOL! Five foot eight? I am actually laughing at this manlet. No wonder why he is that size. And I thought Chestbrah was short, he is tall compared to your dad. Probably bloated, not even shredded and looks like shit - like father like son hey? He's obviously doing it right? Haha oh man I am actually laughing at how stupid, ignorant and unintelligent you sound.

[lovbyts]

Cough wisdom my dad has been working out as long as you and talks about blasting and cruising.
And he's healthy as a horse just got blood work done.


I'll follow his wisdom you know
He's obviously doin it right.

Since he's 5 foot 8
250 lbs

And like I said blood work a okay.

Nice story but I think that is what it is; a story. He is probably the cool dad who let you drink at home? bring girls home etc? Yeah right. We have plenty of dads here who also have plenty of cycle experience and have sons but they are smart enough to steer them clear from aas use as long as possible knowing it's the wrong way to do things. Did you mom teach your sister how to make more money being a stripper also? Hopefully not. Because maybe he did it does not mean it's the right way to do things and most parents realize this. So as far as your dad goes. FAIL...

[tboney]

"
you must also think that eating 5-6 small meals increases metabolism therefore making you burn more fat?

and must take whey protein post workout for the anabolic window ....lmao

edit - and your body cannot consume more than 30 grams a protein at a time..hahaha"

answer those gixxer

please enlighten me my fellow scholar.

Can you explain why you do not agree with the above? Not the 30 grams of protein..but the other two comments?