3 weeks in... shut it down?

[smbdyshero]

So, guys, how does having higher BF% change the effects/side-effects of running gear?
Why is it better to wait until my BF% is 12-15?

I know some of those burly powerlifter dudes must be running gear and they're always at a high BF%...


Not trying to argue or to second-guess your experience or advice, just curious.

[The Titan99]

Not tru it will shut you down, and then you will be covering that so yes it is HRT, but it is not a good thing since he does not need it (as far as we know).

I would not bother with anyless then 400mg ew if it IS the cycle.

Well, it's a useless dose for what he's trying to acomplish. Shut down is not worth it.

I dont fully agree. your estrogen will be at its high at PCT (if using compounds that convert to estro) and its good to use an AI on cycle to keep estro normal and also in pct to keep estro normal.
but if you dont need it during cycle i would think you would not bother with it in PCT, because by then you should have used it if there was issues.

Seems we don't agree on a lot of points...lol. First, estrogen will be at it's highest point when taking exogenous aromatizing AAS (Test) not when it's removed from your system. It will then fall to an all time low, things trying to reach natural homeostasis and all.

As far as anti e's go, there are some very smart dudes on both sides of this argument. For me though, personally I can take up to 2 grams of Test a week and have no estrogen issues. Anti e's are super powerful cancer meds and letro is probably the worst one. They can ruin your joints, lead to injury, turn your dick into a drain for your bladder, hurt your gains and just generally screw up a perfectly good cycle. For me I say if you don't need it, don't take it. Others may disagree (Swifto comes to mind as one of the most knowledgeable) but I've been at this for a while and I know what works for me. I guess that's all I know really...

[Juced_porkchop]

Well, it's a useless dose for what he's trying to acomplish. Shut down is not worth it. I agree, was my point (unless he just wanted a test base with othe rcompounds, not worth it)

Seems we don't agree on a lot of points...lol. First, estrogen will be at it's highest point when taking exogenous aromatizing AAS (Test) not when it's removed from your system. It will then fall to an all time low, things trying to reach natural homeostasis and all. it would have bult up at that point, at PCT time. An AI is a better idea through whole cycle or near the end and pct , in my OP

As far as anti e's go, there are some very smart dudes on both sides of this argument. For me though, personally I can take up to 2 grams of Test a week and have no estrogen issues. (if your blood pressure stays the same then you are one of few, most would/should use an AI when using a higher dose of test to stay healthy and keep estrogen levels normal *not low*) Anti e's are super powerful cancer meds and letro is probably the worst one. It is the one I like most, the issue is not letro, its people using too much to often that dont understand letro, I have used it for many months issue free, how i use it is 0.25-1.2mg e3d (2X a week) and it works great, never had an issue runnign 1g test or 500mg test, letro has a long active life and people dont understand that and start taking it ed or eod and they wont ruin your joints unless you are miss using them. They can ruin your joints, lead to injury, turn your dick into a drain for your bladder, hurt your gains and just generally screw up a perfectly good cycle. For me I say if you don't need it, don't take it. Others may disagree (Swifto comes to mind as one of the most knowledgeable) but I've been at this for a while and I know what works for me. I guess that's all I know really...

In red above :-)

[smbdyshero]

Clomid/Nolva OTW.

Just wanted to repeat my question from above.

So, guys, how does having higher BF% change the effects/side-effects of running gear?
Why is it better to wait until my BF% is 12-15?

I know some of those burly powerlifter dudes must be running gear and they're always at a high BF%...


Not trying to argue or to second-guess your experience or advice, just curious.

[Juced_porkchop]

So, guys, how does having higher BF% change the effects/side-effects of running gear?
Why is it better to wait until my BF% is 12-15?

I know some of those burly powerlifter dudes must be running gear and they're always at a high BF%...


Not trying to argue or to second-guess your experience or advice, just curious.

more BF% more conversion to estorgens and possibly others, higher blood pressure, possibly more fat gain, edema (water bloat).
all these things and im sure more would be effected for the worse with higher BF%'s.
I mean 15-20% is not BAD BAD, but 10-15% is much better.

[smbdyshero]

more BF% more conversion to estorgens and possibly others, higher blood pressure, possibly more fat gain, edema (water bloat).
all these things and im sure more would be effected for the worse with higher BF%'s.
I mean 15-20% is not BAD BAD, but 10-15% is much better.

Ok, I get that.

I did see some water retention the 2nd week, couldn't make a tight fist with my right hand! Freaky.

Also, I weighed myself before starting the Test E 3 weeks ago, and then again a couple of days ago... started at 235.5, went to 249 in 3 weeks! Fat and water!

I did get stronger, tho, added 10lbs to my bench and all my other lifts were like the first time I tried N.O. Xplode, stronger all around. My delts finally started popping out too. could never get a good pump in them before that.

I will come back to Test E after I've done homework, for sure.