Trenbolone acetate

[PaynESTER]

The Best Steroid ever made period.
Hated by everyone on this site.
loved by everyone else.

produces great results.
low calorie diet
High calorie diet
no diet at all.

still creates new lean tissue.
burns fat with its strong receptor binding.

it does come with a few sides.
but are tolerable.

so might sweat at night - counter this with having it cold/fan blowing on you.
insomina - counter this with sleeping meds.
it may cause high blood pressure in some people..but not likely. just watch out for it.
if you do achieve high blood pressure-get medicine/reduce dosage.

a good starting dosage would be

50mg ED yes EVERYDAY
it will cut down on the sides immensely.
making you feel better and also feel more "pumped all day"

once you feel you are doing good at that dosage bump it up accordingly.

Ive been on tren for a while now. playing with the dosages.

started at 100mg EOD
upped it to 100mg ED 5x a week

and that is my sweet spot for now.

any questions?
i got answers.

also - beginners if they are willingly to dive in deep. They could use this first time.

not everyone has to use TEST ONLY first cycle.

a good starting cycle would be

50mg masteron prop
50 mg test prop
50 mg tren ace
EOD
or if tollerable ED

they are short esters..so if you would experience harsh side effects. you can stop them and they will be out of your blood very quickly.

as with long esters it could take a few weeks to clear out.

[thex95]

It would be great if you stopped giving out shitty advice, especially to the new guys on here who don't know any better.

[austinite]

Yes, one question. Why are you doing everything you can to get a bad rep around here? Let me explain the problem to you...

I've been on many forums, the reason I stuck around here is because folks here give safe advice. Not just advice. You've been answering newbies' questions without knowing anything about them. No stats. You're doing new members a disservice and I sincerely don't appreciate that. Members here don't hate tren, they are just smart about who they recommend it to. throwing around random advice, saying things like "PCT is overrated", is just plain dangerous. There are TONS of reckless forums out there, not this one. I really and truly hate to see this place tainted with this type of uneducated and inexperienced ranting.

I know you might be offended by referring to you as inexperienced, but you're in your early 20's. Believe me, you haven't seen anything yet.

That said, I respect you as an individual, I just wish you would stop giving advice to new members, not because I am right and you are wrong, but because this forum is about safety first, and you are not respecting that.

Good luck.

[PaynESTER]

in all honesty you keep throwing the age around that is just a number?

my dad has been bodybuilding since the early 80's. my WHOLE FAMILY lives and breathes bodybuilding.

im not a blind man following anything. i have knowledge collected from research and insider Experience.

i clearly gave out safety precautions.

short esters are actually better first cycle. because if you do develop side effects, you can quit injected and side effects will decrease rather quickly (a week at the most.)

long esters..not so quick.

[gixxerboy1]

everyone here hates tren?

[austinite]

in all honesty you keep throwing the age around that is just a number?

my dad has been bodybuilding since the early 80's. my WHOLE FAMILY lives and breathes bodybuilding.

im not a blind man following anything. i have knowledge collected from research and insider Experience.

i clearly gave out safety precautions.

short esters are actually better first cycle. because if you do develop side effects, you can quit injected and side effects will decrease rather quickly (a week at the most.)

long esters..not so quick.

Well you edited your post after a couple of comments. Anyway, good luck. I hope you can become productive. Other members have, surely you can, too.

[PaynESTER]

Well you edited your post after a couple of comments. Anyway, good luck. I hope you can become productive. Other members have, surely you can, too.

edited today at 08:34 PM

no one posted until 8:40......................

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

50mg ED is the perfect starting dose. High enough to see results, low enough that you won't have to deal with many sides, if any, at all.

I actually experience more sides on 50mgs ED than I do 150, just more proof that everyone responds differently.

[austinite]

edited today at 08:34 PM

no one posted until 8:40......................

Im not going to get into it with you. Everything after "I got answers" was added after the 1st 2 comments.

[gixxerboy1]

I dont think thats a bad cycle. I ran same thing different doses. But i wouldnt recomend it for a first time cycle.
What would you recommend the user do since its their first cycle and they start the get gyno? what would be your advice?

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

Im not going to get into it with you. Everything after "I got answers" was added after the 1st 2 comments.

yeah makes sense... perhaps read that last line at the bottom of the op?

[austinite]

yeah makes sense... perhaps read that last line at the bottom of the op?

Now I have to explain Vbulletin. Time stamps when you click on edit on version 3.8+, this forum is 4.1.7. So right click and refresh your thread all you want. Perhaps understand php?

[sharmabrah]

in all honesty you keep throwing the age around that is just a number?

my dad has been bodybuilding since the early 80's. my WHOLE FAMILY lives and breathes bodybuilding.

im not a blind man following anything. i have knowledge collected from research and insider Experience.

i clearly gave out safety precautions.

short esters are actually better first cycle. because if you do develop side effects, you can quit injected and side effects will decrease rather quickly (a week at the most.)

long esters..not so quick.

You are one severely uneducated man.

[thex95]

edit- good to go

we gotta stay civil on here man and thats pretty clearly flaming. Even if you hate the guy you cant post stuff like this

[sharmabrah]

we gotta stay civil on here man and thats pretty clearly flaming. Even if you hate the guy you cant post stuff like this

Only speaking the truth man, and I don't hate anyone - not even people who hate on me. But anyway, this guy is just a clear bad example of AAS use.

[Faceless Rider]

This guy IS telling all us newbs exactly what we want to hear....I would love to run a tren/mast/prop cycle! but I won't because I don't trust him. I have built a trust for the knowledgable members on here who tell us that we should built a foundation and start slow. I'm going to be pinning ed prop for my upcomming second cycle. But even though short esters have a great option for getting off in an emergency how many first timers are really gonna want to pin ed or eod? side effects are one thing but the more an unexperienced user pins the more chances he/she has of messing up a shot...and that can have pretty sh*ty effects.

[thex95]

Only speaking the truth man, and I don't hate anyone - not even people who hate on me. But anyway, this guy is just a clear bad example of AAS use.

I completley agree with you 100%, only point was you cant flame, and since you edited your post I removed the quote so its all savy now.

[PaynESTER]

I dont think thats a bad cycle. I ran same thing different doses. But i wouldnt recomend it for a first time cycle.
What would you recommend the user do since its their first cycle and they start the get gyno? what would be your advice?

He can run caber along side to cope eith that.

And like I said previously

Masteron does a good job with gyno- I mean that's what it was created for.

[BSB]

I'm about to run tren Ace in 2 weeks, I've been going back and forth with the idea of 300mg at 8 or 10 weeks, just today I was told by a good friend not to go more than 5 weeks, he did a 10 weeker years back and ****ed his hair line up. I'm guessing he just was vulnerable? I've never tried Tren yet, just want to know everyone's personal opinion with severe hair loss on tren that have used it.


Ps. This will be my 4th cycle since 05'
Thanks in advance

[PaynESTER]

It's not that it makes you go bald, just bald faster. Your friend was gonna be bold since day 1 of his life.

I've been on tren for a while now and hair is still full

[sharmabrah]

It's not that it makes you go bald, just bald faster. Your friend was gonna be bold since day 1 of his life.

I've been on tren for a while now and hair is still full

More like it makes you shorten your life faster. Good luck with your future life bro, you've earned it LOL. Just wondering, who's writing your obituary?

[Matt]

PaynESTER im starting to think your here just to stir things up a little and you don't have the best intentions...

To say we here hate tren a is just rubbish......

Tren a for a first cycle is one of the most retarded things ive ever heard and to stay on it for extended periods is as retarded...

You are more than welcome to post your views and findings whether we agree or not but try to stir less...

[lovbyts]

PaynESTER im starting to think your here just to stir things up a little and you don't have the best intentions...

To say we here hate tren a is just rubbish......

Tren a for a first cycle is one of the most retarded things ive ever heard and to stay on it for extended periods is as retarded...

You are more than welcome to post your views and findings whether we agree or not but try to stir less...

^^^^ x2 and many have been saying the same the last few days except I would add I suspect he has other intentions due to his attitude and mannerism such as sourcing. Probably got kicked off of one or more other boards for selling bunk gear and is looking for more suckers. I'm still betting it's short lived.

[Flacco]

The Best Steroid ever made period.
Hated by everyone on this site.
loved by everyone else.

produces great results.
low calorie diet
High calorie diet
no diet at all.

still creates new lean tissue.
burns fat with its strong receptor binding.

it does come with a few sides.
but are tolerable.

so might sweat at night - counter this with having it cold/fan blowing on you.
insomina - counter this with sleeping meds.
it may cause high blood pressure in some people..but not likely. just watch out for it.
if you do achieve high blood pressure-get medicine/reduce dosage.

a good starting dosage would be

50mg ED yes EVERYDAY
it will cut down on the sides immensely.
making you feel better and also feel more "pumped all day"

once you feel you are doing good at that dosage bump it up accordingly.

Ive been on tren for a while now. playing with the dosages.

started at 100mg EOD
upped it to 100mg ED 5x a week

and that is my sweet spot for now.

any questions?
i got answers.

also - beginners if they are willingly to dive in deep. They could use this first time.

not everyone has to use TEST ONLY first cycle.

a good starting cycle would be

50mg masteron prop
50 mg test prop
50 mg tren ace
EOD
or if tollerable ED

they are short esters..so if you would experience harsh side effects. you can stop them and they will be out of your blood very quickly.

as with long esters it could take a few weeks to clear out.

Your Mother and Father Failed

[Misery13]

Your Mother and Father Failed

Lol. So did mine but I turned ok. Kinda.

[gonzo6183]

He can run caber along side to cope eith that.

And like I said previously

Masteron does a good job with gyno- I mean that's what it was created for.

Not always, I got gyno while running mast and ldex at .25 EOD, its anti E effects are actually quite minimal and an AI should still be run on cycle. I managed to get my lump

under control and vanished completely with Nolva as suggested by experienced members on here.

[marcus300]

What gave you the idea everyone on this site hates tren?

[lovbyts]

What gave you the idea everyone on this site hates tren?

Because he hates everyone here for shooting him down on trying to tell newbies to not do PCT, to just cruise and saying using Test, tren, mast xxx is good for a 1st - continual cycle. His daddy taught him this is how it's done and as we all know 21 year olds know everything. Oh yeah and it's all good and cheap as long as you have a GOOD source. wink, wink....

[PaynESTER]

I'm not trying to sell anything buddy.

I'm trying to help people who are aiming for a competitive physique.
Because running test only will not get you there

[lovbyts]

I'm not trying to sell anything buddy.

I'm trying to help people who are aiming for a competitive physique.
Because running test only will not get you there

And that is not 90% + of the people on the Q&A section, dont you get that by now? You are dont more harm than good by far.

[PaynESTER]

In your eyes I've done more harm. Because you are so set in your ways

Like I said in other thread

My dads been blasting and cruising for years

Get blood work done on the regular
And he is perfectly healthy.

Yet you still say its wrong?

How is it wrong in any way if he has proof he is healthy?

[lovbyts]

OK so your dad (if it's all true) is how it works for everyone? I have seen literally 100s of post since I have been here from people/kids/newbies who have had problems using to much, cruising, using Deca or Tren and most kids who come on here are far from being ready to cycle. Most have 3 - 6 months gym experience, poor diets, to skinny or over weight and dont know the basics yet. We see kids who have gyno, ED, depression all the time because they took advice from some friend at the gym or someone like you suggested on another site and now they need help.

You dad may be fine. He may have done it all right but most of the people here are not ready for that and need to learn how to do things right slowly and who will NEVER step a foot on a stage.

If you cant understand those simple facts then I call BS on the not trying to sell anything and you have an agenda.

[Matt]

If your father is doing so well has so much knowledge and has been doing this for years then why did you come here in the first place looking for cycle advice????

[HitIt]

a simple google search of one's name reveals much....

[lovbyts]

a simple google search of one's name reveals much....

Looks like he was having the same problem as he is here back in 2010 on other boards preaching the same BS. Yeah google ravels a lot.

[tboney]

PaynESTER im starting to think your here just to stir things up a little and you don't have the best intentions...

To say we here hate tren a is just rubbish......

Tren a for a first cycle is one of the most retarded things ive ever heard and to stay on it for extended periods is as retarded...

You are more than welcome to post your views and findings whether we agree or not but try to stir less...

I agree...

[jshore89]

Iv still got a hell of a lot to learn and iv bin on this forum for aboyt 2days but fk me! Wot kinda idiot hands out advice 2 use tren 1st? I get wot ur sayin about it bein the 1 an that nothing compares but in my eyes if dbol wasnt ur 1st cycle then somethings wrong lol. Every1 doing there 1st cycle is uneducated so using tren 1st could be recipe for disaster. Also like another member said, pinning ed on your 1st cycle is scary sht!

[Flacco]

What the hell is google?

This is the only AAS website I come to. I trust the advice I get is going to be the most responsible/safest. I was just reading through some of the other website forums that Paynester is on, and I'm really thankful that I picked this one over all the others first. Its obvious no one is concerned about side effects/health issues on those other sites. It seems the Bigger and More shredded you are, the more "Good job bro" and "Nice physique bro" you'll get. I think caution goes out the window and you just start pumping crazy amounts of compounds into your body. Your ego is rewarded when all the other sheep tell you that you must be doing it right. LOL

[swm1972]

a simple google search of one's name reveals much....

No doubt. Don't think I would personally expose myself. His real name and other info is easily obtained. Maybe he doesn't have anything to lose like a career, community standing, etc.

[BSB]

PaynESTER im starting to think your here just to stir things up a little and you don't have the best intentions...

To say we here hate tren a is just rubbish......

Tren a for a first cycle is one of the most retarded things ive ever heard and to stay on it for extended periods is as retarded...

You are more than welcome to post your views and findings whether we agree or not but try to stir less...

Do you feel tren a is safe at 300mg/wk at 8-10 weeks? I read it is, but a personal friend of mine told me to avoid anything past 5 due to sides. I want opinions on people who've used it.