Election 2012! Thoughts?

[JD250]

Pay close attention to who he is giving credit for my success.........I'm sorry to inform the masses but....yes some people sacrifice and work a hell of a lot harder than others, in my opinion they should be respected not ridiculed and have their lifes work minimized by a socialist prick who grew up as priviledged as obama did, most small business owners have sacrificed more than the average American can even imagine........without vacations and getting paid overtime.


President Obama, in a speech to supporters, suggested business owners owe their success to government investment in infrastructure and other projects -- saying “if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.”
Obama’s comment Friday during a campaign stop in Roanoke, Va., came just days after he urged Congress to extend tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration only to families earning less than $250,000 annually -- part of his argument that top earners have an obligation to pay more to trim the deficit.

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” he said. “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, has pledged a vote on the Obama plan before Congress’ August recess, but whether he has the votes remains unclear. A handful of Democrats – include several facing a tough re-election bid – don’t want to vote on a proposal that would result in a tax increase for some Americans.

Senate Democrats and Republicans wrangled Wednesday over the tax cut extensions, which have emerged as a major campaign issue as GOP candidate Mitt Romney attempts to upend Obama’s re-election bid.

Leaders of the GOP-controlled House want to extended the cuts for all American and will almost assuredly reject any plan capping them at the $250,000 income level, or $200,000 for individuals.

[gixxerboy1]

I dont like the like "If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that." But the rest is true IMO
Also the tx cuts are for everyone on the first 250k. So if you make 255k your only paying higher taxes on 5k. And its back to what they were before.

[Coolhand5599]

Because of Obama care, I will be letting go of 5 employes. My accountant has informed me of the cost and it would put me in the red. I have talked to a friend that has to let go of over 100 people due to the added cost.

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ and i know people because of the tx credit because of it are hiring

[haterade]

Because of Obama care, I will be letting go of 5 employes. My accountant has informed me of the cost and it would put me in the red. I have talked to a friend that has to let go of over 100 people due to the added cost.

wrong..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthrefo...ealthcare-menu

[Coolhand5599]

wrong..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthrefo...ealthcare-menu

You believe what the White House tells you? LMAO

[jeremiahsr]

Obama has got to go.
Being a business owner isn't as cracked up as it used to be. For all the talk about forcing health insurance (or the tax if you don't have it).... it will be required for the employer to cover this new bill to keep employees happy. I have always payed half of employees insurance cost but not sure if this will be a viable benefit in a couple years.
I wish Donald Trump would have ran. Not sure about his politics but his business sense is the best. Man been broke several times and always finds a way back to the top.

[JD250]

wrong..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthrefo...ealthcare-menu

That's typical magic muslim BS.........he 's a real magician ya know...... he can take a blatent lie and tell you it's true and BAM....it's magically the truth. Seriously........the white house says it will decrease costs yet right after the court ruling the major insurance companies announced a major increase is coming..........if not the American people, just exactly WHO does the magic muslim think is going to pay for all his magical free stuff..........you guys are smarter than this.

[JD250]

And one more thing.......why do some of you believe it's OK to add taxes to someone making over 250,000 (which is more magic lies) Here's a thought.....stop spending money like it grows on a fvcking tree!!!!!! Some of you need to keep focused on the real issues and quit buying into this bullshit.........taxes are not an issue.....SPENDING is the issue and the magic moron has spent enough to totally fvck this country forever.......ENOUGH OF THIS DOUCHE BAG!!!!! Keep your eye on the ball and don't be distracted by all the BS these politicians and media spew .

[gixxerboy1]

You can only cut so much. There are things that have to be payed for. not matter what. Yes i agree spending need to be cut. But our tax system needs to be fixed also. Why do you think its ok for people making millions to pay a lower "effective" tax rate then the average american.

[JD250]

I dont like the like "If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that." But the rest is true IMO

But it's not true Gix.........yes many of us have had help and in turn have helped others do the same but I know absolutely nobody who benefitted in their business from Govt involvement with the exception of farmers who for years have recieved welfare just for being a farmer........now thats gone too (thankfully) what will they do now that they have budgeted that welfare into their income for generations? The same thing we all do.....work harder. Govt. can only help by staying the fvck OUT of small business!! Basically I feel the whole article is true except anything Obama said or this administration referred too.

[gixxerboy1]

But it's not true Gix.........yes many of us have had help and in turn have helped others do the same but I know absolutely nobody who benefitted in their business from Govt involvement with the exception of farmers who for years have recieved welfare just for being a farmer........now thats gone too (thankfully) what will they do now that they have budgeted that welfare into their income for generations? The same thing we all do.....work harder. Govt. can only help by staying the fvck OUT of small business!! Basically I feel the whole article is true except anything Obama said or this administration referred too.

Maybe i'm looking at his comments different. Not so much helping your business directly, but the infrastructure America built, he also brought up teachers that other people that helped you during your life.

[JD250]

You can only cut so much. There are things that have to be payed for. not matter what. Yes i agree spending need to be cut. But our tax system needs to be fixed also. Why do you think its ok for people making millions to pay a lower "effective" tax rate then the average american.

I don't think it's OK........why not eliminate 3/4 of Fedral Govt. and privatize every job that local Govts are now responsible for, eliminate all welfare (ouch) and foreign aid then instead of raising taxes you could lower them so the rest of us could effectively pay the same % as the mega wealthy. Is the glass half full or half empty? Have we become so dependant on the Govt that we can't even wipe our own asses anymore? Our forefathers were some radical sonsabitches that would roll over in their graves if they knew that more than half of us weak minded Americans rely on the Govt for life support.......all their hard work and sacrifices just handed over to the magic muslim so he can dismantle and trash everything this country once stood for, I'm sure they would be appalled at what a bunch of nutless, helpless bastards we've become. I would have to agree with them. Govt. and taxes weren't the road to freedom then and the same is true today but appearantly history isn't taught in our schools anymore and I suppose we are destined to repeat it.

[JD250]

Maybe i'm looking at his comments different. Not so much helping your business directly, but the infrastructure America built, he also brought up teachers that other people that helped you during your life.

I agree, we all have had teachers that were major influences and guided us but that has nothing to do with him or Govt. He would have you believe that Govt. is responsible for this countries great successes, not so, those successes were because of extraordinary men doing extraordinary things and working their butts off......not because of Govt......he also says that Govt. is responsible for the internet.......really, what about Al Gore. I mock them because they are the most mockable group of idiots to occupy the whitehouse......EVER!

[gixxerboy1]

I personally dont like the privatization of everything. If a private company can run it and be successful then the gov should be able to. I think the gov should hire a ceo type of person to run divisions of it. If that part is loosing money then hold them accountable just like they would in the private sector. If that means firing them then so be it.
Private companies especially one that really have a monopoly dont look out for anyone. I dont agree the country would be better being run by a few uncountable ceo's
Has Obama made some bad decisions, yes. But he hasnt dismantled America in 3 years. This is were i think alot of arguments go bad. People loose credibility talking stuff up more then it is. No offense but the "magic muslim" comment makes me think less of your argument.

[gixxerboy1]

I agree, we all have had teachers that were major influences and guided us but that has nothing to do with him or Govt. He would have you believe that Govt. is responsible for this countries great successes, not so, those successes were because of extraordinary men doing extraordinary things and working their butts off......not because of Govt......he also says that Govt. is responsible for the internet.......really, what about Al Gore. I mock them because they are the most mockable group of idiots to occupy the whitehouse......EVER!

It does though if teachers are being laid off and paid less. I think the comment wasnt that government fixes everything. But some of the people who want to cut everything, like teachers forgot the ones that helped them.

[Coolhand5599]

Gixxerboy, mad respect for you on the Roids front. But politically you have been brainwashed. You are way to smart to buy into the left.

[gixxerboy1]

I think they are both wrong with things. The right scares me more with the social issue's. They all claim they want smaller gov but what to govern peoples personal life

[JD250]

Just more confusion caused by the lies.............we should take care of teachers, my wife is a teacher.........why is our education near the bottom in the world? Hows Govt. been working in that respect....not so well huh. As far as the damage obama has done.....it's public record but if you wish for me to use the next several pages to lay it out for you, I suppose I could but I believe you are a smart man and don't need that......I call him the magic muslim because he is magic........he can take 20% unemployment and magically turn it into 8% just by saying it is 8 %, he can make the economy turn around just by telling us that it's all good...... he can spend more than all the other presidents combined yet our economic woes have nothing to do with him...........he MUST be magic to do all that......or maybe he's God. If my mockery makes you uncomfortable just remember this......none of what this man does is humorous at all but his lies and denials are so blatant that I have to laugh.......until I realize that a bunch of folks out there actually believe him regardless of the facts that are glaring.

[JD250]

I think they are both wrong with things. The right scares me more with the social issue's. They all claim they want smaller gov but what to govern peoples personal life

More smoke and mirrors.......Roe-V-Wade will never be overturned.....Mitt Romney will not force you to go to church or marry several wives......those things are all distractions and non issues. I have a christian friend who votes strictly on abortion issues alone......what a moron. Don't worry about those social issues......worry about how YOU will be able to afford paying for 20million illegals healthcare.....and other important shit.

[gixxerboy1]

oh i know the unemployment isnt actually 8%. Is the economy better then it was 2 years ago? Yes it is. Its not good but its better.
I agree that the education system is broke. I dont like alot of the things they actually teach or that are required. Unions do alot to protect shitty teachers. I dont think teachers should get a raise if they acquire a higher degree like a masters. Unless its something they are actually using. They should be paid on performance like anyone else.
But most of these issues have been problems for many many years, they are not knew because of Obama

[gixxerboy1]

More smoke and mirrors.......Roe-V-Wade will never be overturned.....Mitt Romney will not force you to go to church or marry several wives......those things are all distractions and non issues. I have a christian friend who votes strictly on abortion issues alone......what a moron. Don't worry about those social issues......worry about how YOU will be able to afford paying for 20million illegals healthcare.....and other important shit.

Lol, can i have the several wives if i want?
But you see alot of states pushing anti abortion laws or the new ultra sound laws. You think thats right to force someone to pay for an unnecessary medical procedure?
Am i a 1 issue voter, no. But some of the comments on the right freaks me out. Leave the social and religous comments out and i would feel alot better

[JD250]

Am i a 1 issue voter, no. But some of the comments on the right freaks me out. Leave the social and religous comments out and i would feel alot better

Now that I agree with. Even the Bible gives people freedom to make a choice, why can't religious people do the same. I don't agree with abortion nor do I agree with the idiots who protest it.......this is why the federal Govt should stay out of social issues and local Govt. should have limited influence. Let the people decide and have the right to change their minds at the next vote if they choose.

I'm not scared of the religious right because they've been found out but Obama is a great liar and when he is finally found out his policies will have dire consequences for us all.

[Coolhand5599]

I am a atheist, however I have no concern that I will be forced to go to church. That is silly. Abortion is wrong when used as a form of birth controll, this is the case most of the time. I do however think in the case of rape it should be allowed if it was reported to the police.

[frank13]

Because of Obama care, I will be letting go of 5 employes. My accountant has informed me of the cost and it would put me in the red. I have talked to a friend that has to let go of over 100 people due to the added cost.

hahahah thats bull

[frank13]

Gixxerboy, mad respect for you on the Roids front. But politically you have been brainwashed. You are way to smart to buy into the left.

i dont think so politically i find myself almost agree with every thing he says

[Coolhand5599]

i dont think so politically i find myself almost agree with every thing he says

Then you to have been brainwashed. You drank the cool aid

[lovbyts]

It does though if teachers are being laid off and paid less. I think the comment wasnt that government fixes everything. But some of the people who want to cut everything, like teachers forgot the ones that helped them.

But you dont see that is the problem. When the government say they are going to cut they only cut what effects us, not them. They always go for the teachers, police, fire, postal, libraries. That is all peanuts compared to where the real cutting needs to take place. Get rid of the personal drivers for those who dont need them, limo service, weekly trips/flights for meetings to some resort, pet projects costing multi millions to find out why dogs bark, why slug slim is slimy etc. There are millions/billions that could be saved/cut if they went internal but we dont see most of what goes on behind closed doors and we have been programed to believe cuts can only take place at the local/social level. Only things that will effect you and me so we dont want it to happen but non of it has to.

Obamacare is adding at least 159 new federal commissions and boards for healthcare reform. Where is the reduction in government? It has done nothing but grow. It's well on it's way to organized socialism. I don't know what else to call it.

[gixxerboy1]

oh i do understand that, I hate when the talk about a certain cut and say its not worth cutting it will only save 80million. So its not a big deal. They dont tell you there is 200 of those things costing 80million that are bullshit waste

[lovbyts]

oh i do understand that, I hate when the talk about a certain cut and say its not worth cutting it will only save 80million. So its not a big deal. They dont tell you there is 200 of those things costing 80million that are bullshit waste

Yup, you know even as a kid around 10 when I heard the news, government say they were cutting back on spending I was able to see through the lie. They used fuzzy math. They spend (example) 200 million on one certain project this year. The project wants 400 million next year to continue the study. The government says no, we will only give you 300 million and that goes in the books as a 100 million cost savings or cut. WTF??? No wonder we are in so much trouble.

[gixxerboy1]

Its beacause there is no accountability or transparency. I saw a clop last night talking how some house members were spending $1000 a month on car lease for work. Most werent expensive cars maybe $30 k. Bit why do they need a 30k SUV. And they claimed ot was expensive because of the miles they drive. Then buy dont lease.

[< <Samson> >]

Yup, you know even as a kid around 10 when I heard the news, government say they were cutting back on spending I was able to see through the lie. They used fuzzy math. They spend (example) 200 million on one certain project this year. The project wants 400 million next year to continue the study. The government says no, we will only give you 300 million and that goes in the books as a 100 million cost savings or cut. WTF??? No wonder we are in so much trouble.

That is such a joke. Oh well, not a damn thing we can do about it. It just happens.

[supersize me]

You can only cut so much. There are things that have to be payed for. not matter what. Yes i agree spending need to be cut. But our tax system needs to be fixed also. Why do you think its ok for people making millions to pay a lower "effective" tax rate then the average american.

The problem is, the average american is paying very little in taxes. For example, in 2009, the top two percent of earners paid roughly 71% of all federal income taxes while the bottom fifty percent paid 2% of federal income taxes. If anything, I think the wealthy deserve to have their bush era tax breaks extended more than anyone else. Just my two cents though.

Numbers quoted were taken from here:

http://www.heritage.org/federalbudge...income-earners