Shorter mild cycle = less or no need for HCG?

[Judah]

If you find you are sensitive to HPTA shutdown and you balls shrink, and you want to maintain testicular size, etc. on cycle, then its up to you to use the HCG. I just don't reccomend it for PCT from an 8 week cycle.

Drop the clomid - use Nolvadex.

DO NOT use HCG for post-cycle unless you've been shut down extremely hard and typically have a lot of trouble restoring testicular function, or unless you've run a very very long cycle (13-16 weekers or more). Do not under any circumstances use it to 'bridge' between cycles either. Your body, once it has either restored gonadotropin secretion levels back to normal, or reached very high levels of gonadotropin secretions from the SERMs you have been using from PCT, using HCG will only set you back to square one. In one study, Nolvadex used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline (1). And that was 10 days, let alone the 4 weeks alotted for PCT with it. If you were to add HCG when your body is pretty much back to normal endocrine function, you would end up going backwards. You'll end up suppressing your body's own endogenous production of gonadotropins (because you're sticking synthetic gonadotropin into your body with HCG), and you'll be back at square 1. Don't do it.

I didn't mean bridging between cycles with hcg, I meant using hcg during the 14 days before starting starting Nolva.

[Atomini]

I didn't mean bridging between cycles with hcg, I meant using hcg during the 14 days before starting starting Nolva.

I have nothing against that idea - but it isn't essential. It is a good application in that it gives the testes a jolt of synthetic gonadotropins to get them going again. Once they're rolling producing testosterone, you remove the HCG and throw the nolva in. Now the Nolva does its job of stimulating the pituitary to release natural gonadotropin, thus keeping the testes going. This is typically what I reccomend but usually only for long cycles or for those who get shut down very hard and have a lot of difficulty bouncing back. It doesn't hurt to do it, but I like to avoid HCG if I can. It's your call.

[Razor]

I have nothing against that idea - but it isn't essential. It is a good application in that it gives the testes a jolt of synthetic gonadotropins to get them going again. Once they're rolling producing testosterone, you remove the HCG and throw the nolva in. Now the Nolva does its job of stimulating the pituitary to release natural gonadotropin, thus keeping the testes going. This is typically what I reccomend but usually only for long cycles or for those who get shut down very hard and have a lot of difficulty bouncing back. It doesn't hurt to do it, but I like to avoid HCG if I can. It's your call.

So do you think torem or evista should be run with nolvadex for pct? Or just run nolva by itself?

[Atomini]

So do you think torem or evista should be run with nolvadex for pct? Or just run nolva by itself?

I think that Nolva is efficient enough on its own. The only other thing I would reccomend is a low dose of an AI, preferrably aromasin, in order to create a feedback loop whereby the body notices diminished estrogen and therefore will send signals out to being producing more testosterone.

Like i've said a few times already though, if you ARE the type that is very sensitive to shutdown and has a very difficult time restoring your endogenous hormones - HCG will be required with the nolva (and aromasin will have to be thrown in as well, because HCG increases aromatase activity in the body).

[Judah]

I have nothing against that idea - but it isn't essential. It is a good application in that it gives the testes a jolt of synthetic gonadotropins to get them going again. Once they're rolling producing testosterone, you remove the HCG and throw the nolva in. Now the Nolva does its job of stimulating the pituitary to release natural gonadotropin, thus keeping the testes going. This is typically what I reccomend but usually only for long cycles or for those who get shut down very hard and have a lot of difficulty bouncing back. It doesn't hurt to do it, but I like to avoid HCG if I can. It's your call.

It's been a privilege kind sir, I am now officially rethinking my PCT lol.

0.25mg EOD Armidex during cycle?

40/40/20/20 Nolva post cycle?

Option: hcg for 14 days prior to starting Nolva but after last test-e pin...and how much?

[Atomini]

It's been a privilege kind sir, I am now officially rethinking my PCT lol.

0.25mg EOD Armidex during cycle?

40/40/20/20 Nolva post cycle?

Option: hcg for 14 days prior to starting Nolva but after last test-e pin...and how much?

Low dose Arimidex is good to keep estrogen under control on-cycle. But I much prefer low dose Aromasin.

Btw if you are going to use HCG, you must run aromasin with it. This is because HCG increases aromatase activity in the body and you'll have higher estrogen levels if you use HCG without it. Though its not extremely common, people have reported getting gyno while using HCG.

[Judah]

Low dose Arimidex is good to keep estrogen under control on-cycle. But I much prefer low dose Aromasin.

Btw if you are going to use HCG, you must run aromasin with it. This is because HCG increases aromatase activity in the body and you'll have higher estrogen levels if you use HCG without it. Though its not extremely common, people have reported getting gyno while using HCG.

Jesus, for every question you answer I have 5 more lol FML.

I already have liquidex (Armidex) so I'm sticking with that as an AI during my cycle.

If I choose to how should I run hcg and aromasin during the 14 days prior to Nolva?

[Atomini]

Jesus, for every question you answer I have 5 more lol FML.

I already have liquidex (Armidex) so I'm sticking with that as an AI during my cycle.

If I choose to how should I run hcg and aromasin during the 14 days prior to Nolva?

If you already have arimidex, then just use that, don't worry about switching. As for how to use aromasin with HCG: 12.5mg aromasin every day with 500iu HCG every day.

[Judah]

If you already have arimidex, then just use that, don't worry about switching. As for how to use aromasin with HCG: 12.5mg aromasin every day with 500iu HCG every day.

Roger dodger.