Which steroids for first cycle?

[papa-g]

cause the "vets" decide for you... kinda reminds me of Stalin and "the good old days"....

anyways, here's my bad advice - if you MUST use steroids and want to use only orals - Stanozolol or Dbol i gues... Start at 20mg, if you feel need - can go higher, but i wouldnt go higher than 40mg because of possible acne.
Dbol can cause kidney f*ck-up like im having now - hurts a bit, so start low dosages first.

Orals as dbol are ok for starters because they get out of the system much faster them some injectables, and if you screw up, you'll just have to suffer for a week or so

EDIT - if your diet is not perfect youll just gain water and lose it all a few weeks after... diet is 80% of all the result.

This is bullshit. But then again since you are also 22 what would you know anyway!

Op. whether you made up your mind or not, you owe it to yourself to do your own research on this subject. It's your body and your gonna have to live with the consequence if something should go wrong. So please check out the stickies and read about the affects of these compounds. There is a ton of free knowledge here if you just take some time to look. There is alot more at risk then liver damage at your age. Some of which may not be reversable. How would you like to be 30 and not be able to get a hard on or suffer from depression. Or would if you hit the gym and blow out your knee trying to be a stud. This could happen it you put to much weight on and the connective tissue can't handle it. These are full what ifs and like I said. You owe it to yourself to at leaste get a good grasp if it before you go asking for any of the vets here to help u plan a cycle.

Papa

[Shadowmaker]

since you are also 22 what would you know anyway!

i just had to change my avatar for this one...
do i really look so much worse than you do? like - do i look so crappy that you can honestly say that you are so much better cause you know stuff more than i do?

[MuscleInk]

i just had to change my avatar for this one...
do i really look so much worse than you do? like - do i look so crappy that you can honestly say that you are so much better cause you know stuff more than i do?

How do you judge someone's degree of intellect on the basis of their appearance?

.....and your argument is only weakened by this. If you've achieved this without the aid of gear and you're only 22, why fix what isn't broken? Keep doing what you're doing!

[Shadowmaker]

How do you judge someone's degree of intellect on the basis of their appearance?

if the discussion is about musclebuilding and musclebuilding drugs, i want to be called stupid by someone who has something to show for how smart he is... its like - im not gonna take nutritional advice from a fat guy, or an advice in business and economics from someone who hasnt got any money, right?

about the pic - its me when i was 19 or early 20, now im almost 23... i dont have any newer ones
and no - its not without the gear... im 6'2 and was 140lbs... i went from 140lbs to 220 from the age of 15-18 i gues, and then i started my first cycle. i dont feel any shame about that cause my genes ar really bad.

EDIT : the "smarter" dude went offline so im changing my pic back. will have to discuss that some other time i gues.

[MuscleInk]

if the discussion is about musclebuilding and musclebuilding drugs, i want to be called stupid by someone who has something to show for how smart he is... its like - im not gonna take nutritional advice from a fat guy, or an advice in business and economics from someone who hasnt got any money, right?

about the pic - its me when i was 19 or early 20, now im almost 23... i dont have any newer ones
and no - its not without the gear... im 6'2 and was 140lbs... i went from 140lbs to 220 from the age of 15-18 i gues, and then i started my first cycle. i dont feel any shame about that cause my genes ar really bad.

No one's calling you "stupid" per se. They may refer to your decision as poor, bad, reckless, or stupid but one bad decision doesn't make a bad person. Obviously you are making a better choice by coming here and seeking the knowledge and experience of those who have it to offer. What some of the vets here are suggesting is that you be more pragmatic about your choices. You still have time to grow naturally. To the best of my knowledge, steroids have been around a long time and there are no plans for them to disappear tomorrow. They'll still be here for a much longer time.

Can you give me one good reason why you NEED to do steroids now instead of waiting another 3-4 years? Too many people see steroids as a magic pill. We are programmed to believe you can have immediate success. Nothing works like that. Hell even getting fat takes time.....it's just less work sitting on your ass eating poorly!

Ultimately you'll do what you want to do. Just be mature enough to fully accept all the consequences of those decisions. There have been numerous threads on here from guys your age that cycled and had significant problems, later wishing they had waited longer to cycle. Don't assume you'll be an exception.

[Shadowmaker]

Can you give me one good reason why you NEED to do steroids now instead of waiting another 3-4 years?

1)the reason why I need them now is because i wont grow without since i started very early and also, i belive that gaining 55lbs is about my natural max.
2)http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/0906/ab/4462cd18a433.jpg - the dude is 21... wanna tell how to beat him being natural? im all ears...
3)i dont know what u have in US but in here there is no shuch thing as natural competitions or natural anything... ppl start taking juice at the age of 16, cause they started to bodybuild at the age of 12...

like - i have a lil bit more ambitions in this sport and the reason why not to wait is that you cant really be big if you wait... look at Jay or Branch when they were 17... its god given genetics ofc, but cmon - none of them would compete in Olympia if they would listen to you and "wait until they are 30"... if you start at 30, you cant really catch up...