Need cutting advice for my GF....

[Judah]

.....at least get a few more days of bedroom Olympics b4 you pack them bags.

.....on the bright side, with that caloric deficit she won't be strong enough to throw you out!!! Lol

That's was the whole reason behind the diet...make her light and weak so she can't bully me around anymore!

[MuscleInk]

That's was the whole reason behind the diet...make her light and weak so she can't bully me around anymore?

I like where your head is at.

[DigitalGorilla]

Her daily intake is usually about 60% protein...30% carbs 10% fat. With the exception of apple sauce and fat free popcorn - her diet is pretty amazing. She eats like me...grilled chicken, turkey burgers no bread, egg whites, spinach, broccoli .... never any fast food, candy, cake, soda, cookies, or anything like that.

[clowned]

Her daily intake is usually about 60% protein...30% carbs 10% fat. With the exception of apple sauce and fat free popcorn - her diet is pretty amazing. She eats like me...grilled chicken, turkey burgers no bread, egg whites, spinach, broccoli .... never any fast food, candy, cake, soda, cookies, or anything like that.

Just something you might find handy.. It's actually been proven that eating fast food, candy, cake etc has no impact on body composition so long as your getting the right macro nutrients. All macro nutrients break down the same way. Only difference is your not getting a decent dose of micro nutrients with "bad" foods which help with your health but have little to no bearing on body composition. The determining factor between good and bad foods obviously being the amount of micro nutrients within that food. So if your feeling like a bit of take out and don't wanna impact your weightloss while doing so. You can just workout the macros for your takeaway and factor it in to your diet. The best of both worlds wouldn't you say.

[Judah]

Just something you might find handy.. It's actually been proven that eating fast food, candy, cake etc has no impact on body composition so long as your getting the right macro nutrients. All macro nutrients break down the same way. Only difference is your not getting a decent dose of micro nutrients with "bad" foods which help with your health but have little to no bearing on body composition. The determining factor between good and bad foods obviously being the amount of micro nutrients within that food. So if your feeling like a bit of take out and don't wanna impact your weightloss while doing so. You can just workout the macros for your takeaway and factor it in to your diet. The best of both worlds wouldn't you say.

Do you smoke a joint before you give advice?

[MuscleInk]

Do you smoke a joint before you give advice?

Wow, what a relief. I guess that means I should add oreo cookies, krispy Kreme donughts, and pizza back into my diet! Delicious food AND I get to keep my chisled abs too!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MuscleInk]

Her daily intake is usually about 60% protein...30% carbs 10% fat. With the exception of apple sauce and fat free popcorn - her diet is pretty amazing. She eats like me...grilled chicken, turkey burgers no bread, egg whites, spinach, broccoli .... never any fast food, candy, cake, soda, cookies, or anything like that.

Sounds good and clean. If the weight loss is stubborn, stick her on fasted cardio 30-45 mins 4x a week.

[DigitalGorilla]

Just something you might find handy.. It's actually been proven that eating fast food, candy, cake etc has no impact on body composition so long as your getting the right macro nutrients. All macro nutrients break down the same way. Only difference is your not getting a decent dose of micro nutrients with "bad" foods which help with your health but have little to no bearing on body composition. The determining factor between good and bad foods obviously being the amount of micro nutrients within that food. So if your feeling like a bit of take out and don't wanna impact your weightloss while doing so. You can just workout the macros for your takeaway and factor it in to your diet. The best of both worlds wouldn't you say.

That is not only wrong. its retarted. Lets take a big mac. its 29 grams of fat and 10 grams of Saturated fat and 540 calories. SO your telling me - that with some fries and a coke wouldnt hurt your diet? Yea maybe if you fasted the rest of the day --- Lol ---

[DigitalGorilla]

Sounds good and clean. If the weight loss is stubborn, stick her on fasted cardio 30-45 mins 4x a week.

Fasted Cardio? Whats that? Im gonna take a guess and say a cardio routine before your first meal of the day?

[MuscleInk]

Fasted Cardio? Whats that? Im gonna take a guess and say a cardio routine before your first meal of the day?

Yes, cardio on an empty stomach, usually first thing when she wakes up.

Fasted cardio puts you directly into oxidative phosphorylation which feeds off fat stores. When fasted from sleep your body already has used a lot of your glycogen stores so you can utilize fat instead.

The main disadvantage is that it's harder to do any HIIT when fasted. Fasted cardio should be moderate intensity, 30-45 mins.

[clowned]

That is not only wrong. its retarted. Lets take a big mac. its 29 grams of fat and 10 grams of Saturated fat and 540 calories. SO your telling me - that with some fries and a coke wouldnt hurt your diet? Yea maybe if you fasted the rest of the day --- Lol ---

How am I wrong? You didn't even make a reference to your statement, it makes no sense. So if i'm getting this right.. you just said a big mac has 29g of fat and 10g of that fat is saturated. umm... so the point your making is that fat is bad and saturated fat is worse? Well too pull words from your mouth. That is not only wrong, it's retarded. Fat is just as important as protein.. (pitty help you if you didnt already know that). in addition to that.. saturated fat is also needed. approximately 30% of your total fat would benefit from being saturated, although going higher then this isnt great. Maybe your thinking of trans fat which are always bad.

I'll try to explain how it's plausible that you can factor takeaway into your diet quite easily if a person wanted to do so.



To construct a proper diet the right macro nutrient ratios are as follows:
1g - 1.5g of protein x per lb of lean bodyweight (lean bodyweight means substracting all your bodyfat and using that number as the variable)
0.4g - 1g of Fat x per lb of total bodyweight
2.5g - 3.5g of Carbohydrates x per lb of total bodyweight

Now you find out how many calories you need to burn to maintain your weight. Then either increase or decrease this number by 10-20% to gain or lose weight.

So lets say i've found my numbers and worked out my everyday diet.

Meal 1 contains:
Calories: 501
Protein: 39.4
Carbs: 48.0
Fat: 17.1

Say I decide i'd prefer takeout and wish to substitute this meal with a:

Quarter Pounder:
Calories: 549
Protein: 33.6
Carbs: 33.5
Fat: 30.3

In my personal diet my protein ratios are on the high end already (1.5g x lb) and my fat ratios are on the low end (0.58g x lb)
This gives me quite alot of leg room to make substitutes and still make the gains i'm aiming for. You'd only really need to stay in the high protein range if you were cutting.

I've backed up all my claims yet when i pinned judah for a descent response, he retorted with "you said anavar instead of substances" and cowered away from the debate without supporting his original argument. If your going to say somethings retarded, atleast give a reason why and preferably make sure that reasoning makes sense. So far, no ones done this. My only real issues with this whole thing is that by reading your thread. Your clearly more interested in finding this magical cure drug to drop the pounds that your blind to where the problem actually lies, which is in nutrition and training, not substances.. I nearly thought it was a joke when the conversation started leading towards the possibility of lipo suction. You cant be serious.

[DigitalGorilla]

How am I wrong? You didn't even make a reference to your statement, it makes no sense. So if i'm getting this right.. you just said a big mac has 29g of fat and 10g of that fat is saturated. umm... so the point your making is that fat is bad and saturated fat is worse? Well too pull words from your mouth. That is not only wrong, it's retarded. Fat is just as important as protein.. (pitty help you if you didnt already know that). in addition to that.. saturated fat is also needed. approximately 30% of your total fat would benefit from being saturated, although going higher then this isnt great. Maybe your thinking of trans fat which are always bad.

I'll try to explain how it's plausible that you can factor takeaway into your diet quite easily if a person wanted to do so.



To construct a proper diet the right macro nutrient ratios are as follows:
1g - 1.5g of protein x per lb of lean bodyweight (lean bodyweight means substracting all your bodyfat and using that number as the variable)
0.4g - 1g of Fat x per lb of total bodyweight
2.5g - 3.5g of Carbohydrates x per lb of total bodyweight

Now you find out how many calories you need to burn to maintain your weight. Then either increase or decrease this number by 10-20% to gain or lose weight.

So lets say i've found my numbers and worked out my everyday diet.

Meal 1 contains:
Calories: 501
Protein: 39.4
Carbs: 48.0
Fat: 17.1

Say I decide i'd prefer takeout and wish to substitute this meal with a:

Quarter Pounder:
Calories: 549
Protein: 33.6
Carbs: 33.5
Fat: 30.3

In my personal diet my protein ratios are on the high end already (1.5g x lb) and my fat ratios are on the low end (0.58g x lb)
This gives me quite alot of leg room to make substitutes and still make the gains i'm aiming for. You'd only really need to stay in the high protein range if you were cutting.

I've backed up all my claims yet when i pinned judah for a descent response, he retorted with "you said anavar instead of substances" and cowered away from the debate without supporting his original argument. If your going to say somethings retarded, atleast give a reason why and preferably make sure that reasoning makes sense. So far, no ones done this. My only real issues with this whole thing is that by reading your thread. Your clearly more interested in finding this magical cure drug to drop the pounds that your blind to where the problem actually lies, which is in nutrition and training, not substances.. I nearly thought it was a joke when the conversation started leading towards the possibility of lipo suction. You cant be serious.

My point is - I dont eat that much fat in a day let alone a sitting. But I guess you know it all...so keep eating fast food. I however dont feel liek dying from clogged arteries. And honestly this is why this forum should be men only - cause you women are annoying!

[DigitalGorilla]

Yes, cardio on an empty stomach, usually first thing when she wakes up.

Fasted cardio puts you directly into oxidative phosphorylation which feeds off fat stores. When fasted from sleep your body already has used a lot of your glycogen stores so you can utilize fat instead.

The main disadvantage is that it's harder to do any HIIT when fasted. Fasted cardio should be moderate intensity, 30-45 mins.

Yea I am gonna have her try that. Thanks bro!

[swm1972]

How am I wrong? You didn't even make a reference to your statement, it makes no sense. So if i'm getting this right.. you just said a big mac has 29g of fat and 10g of that fat is saturated. umm... so the point your making is that fat is bad and saturated fat is worse? Well too pull words from your mouth. That is not only wrong, it's retarded. Fat is just as important as protein.. (pitty help you if you didnt already know that). in addition to that.. saturated fat is also needed. approximately 30% of your total fat would benefit from being saturated, although going higher then this isnt great. Maybe your thinking of trans fat which are always bad.

I'll try to explain how it's plausible that you can factor takeaway into your diet quite easily if a person wanted to do so.

To construct a proper diet the right macro nutrient ratios are as follows:
1g - 1.5g of protein x per lb of lean bodyweight (lean bodyweight means substracting all your bodyfat and using that number as the variable)
0.4g - 1g of Fat x per lb of total bodyweight
2.5g - 3.5g of Carbohydrates x per lb of total bodyweight

Now you find out how many calories you need to burn to maintain your weight. Then either increase or decrease this number by 10-20% to gain or lose weight.

So lets say i've found my numbers and worked out my everyday diet.

Meal 1 contains:
Calories: 501
Protein: 39.4
Carbs: 48.0
Fat: 17.1

Say I decide i'd prefer takeout and wish to substitute this meal with a:

Quarter Pounder:
Calories: 549
Protein: 33.6
Carbs: 33.5
Fat: 30.3

In my personal diet my protein ratios are on the high end already (1.5g x lb) and my fat ratios are on the low end (0.58g x lb)
This gives me quite alot of leg room to make substitutes and still make the gains i'm aiming for. You'd only really need to stay in the high protein range if you were cutting.

I've backed up all my claims yet when i pinned judah for a descent response, he retorted with "you said anavar instead of substances" and cowered away from the debate without supporting his original argument. If your going to say somethings retarded, atleast give a reason why and preferably make sure that reasoning makes sense. So far, no ones done this. My only real issues with this whole thing is that by reading your thread. Your clearly more interested in finding this magical cure drug to drop the pounds that your blind to where the problem actually lies, which is in nutrition and training, not substances.. I nearly thought it was a joke when the conversation started leading towards the possibility of lipo suction. You cant be serious.

No offense man, but see what that diet will get you in 10 years. Not all carbs are created equal and I've not seen big macs served with complex carb rolls. You are young. Anyone can feel like you do when they are in their 20's and invincible. See what another decade of simple carb digestion does to your insulin sensitivity and let us know where you stand then.

[DigitalGorilla]

No offense man, but see what that diet will get you in 10 years. Not all carbs are created equal and I've not seen big macs served with complex carb rolls. You are young. Anyone can feel like you do when they are in their 20's and invincible. See what another decade of simple carb digestion does to your insulin sensitivity and let us know where you stand then.

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!! At 22 I thought I was god. At 34 I realize. Im not. lol. Not to mention the shit they HIDE in fast food. We as people cant even digest some of the processing they use. SO again...this is all just nonsense

[DigitalGorilla]

You can always tell the young kids apart from the way the act. Maybe if more people listened and took advice instead of thinking they knew it all....we would have lesss guys startin AAS at 19 and ****ing them selves up

[DigitalGorilla]

PS. CLowned. I never asked about VAR. I asked about Clen. And second...her diet and training are as good as they can be for a 29 year old 9th grade high school teacher. So yes Lipo is an option.

[MuscleInk]

Yea I am gonna have her try that. Thanks bro!

No worries. Let me know how it goes. It's a little tough. Not impossible, but the results are worth it!

[DigitalGorilla]

No worries. Let me know how it goes. It's a little tough. Not impossible, but the results are worth it!

Will do. I might try it this week to....trying to drop 10 to go to florida friday!

[MuscleInk]

No offense man, but see what that diet will get you in 10 years. Not all carbs are created equal and I've not seen big macs served with complex carb rolls. You are young. Anyone can feel like you do when they are in their 20's and invincible. See what another decade of simple carb digestion does to your insulin sensitivity and let us know where you stand then.

This also assumes all fats are the same. I'd take the healthier fats in my salmon, bass, or mackerel over the artery hardening fat in your McDonald's.

I understand what you are trying to get at but there is no way you'll convince me that a nutrition plan (if you want to call it that) loaded with take out or even substituting some meals for take out is equivalent to a nutritional plan with the same macros that is based around healthier, clean eating. I can get the same amount of fat from 5 hard boiled eggs as the Quarter Pounder but I'd sooner eat the eggs over the near-food served up at any fast food chain. You are also ignoring many of the preservatives added to fast food that you don't find in healthier/organic choices even if the macros are comparable. As just one example, look at the sodium content in fast food - KFC (whom I realize you didn't reference) is one of the worst franchises for sodium saturation in their foods. It's no wonder obesity is a problem in North America!

[DigitalGorilla]

this also assumes all fats are the same. I'd take the healthier fats in my salmon, bass, or mackerel over the artery hardening fat in your mcdonald's.

I understand what you are trying to get at but there is no way you'll convince me that a nutrition plan (if you want to call it that) loaded with take out or even substituting some meals for take out is equivalent to a nutritional plan with the same macros that is based around healthier, clean eating. I can get the same amount of fat from 5 hard boiled eggs as the quarter pounder but i'd sooner eat the eggs over the near-food served up at any fast food chain. You are also ignoring many of the preservatives added to fast food that you don't find in healthier/organic choices even if the macros are comparable. As just one example, look at the sodium content in fast food - kfc (whom i realize you didn't reference) is one of the worst franchises for sodium saturation in their foods. It's no wonder obesity is a problem in north america!

nuff said!

[clowned]

No offense man, but see what that diet will get you in 10 years. Not all carbs are created equal and I've not seen big macs served with complex carb rolls. You are young. Anyone can feel like you do when they are in their 20's and invincible. See what another decade of simple carb digestion does to your insulin sensitivity and let us know where you stand then.

I dont think you understood what I was getting at.

This also assumes all fats are the same. I'd take the healthier fats in my salmon, bass, or mackerel over the artery hardening fat in your McDonald's.

I understand what you are trying to get at but there is no way you'll convince me that a nutrition plan (if you want to call it that) loaded with take out or even substituting some meals for take out is equivalent to a nutritional plan with the same macros that is based around healthier, clean eating. I can get the same amount of fat from 5 hard boiled eggs as the Quarter Pounder but I'd sooner eat the eggs over the near-food served up at any fast food chain. You are also ignoring many of the preservatives added to fast food that you don't find in healthier/organic choices even if the macros are comparable. As just one example, look at the sodium content in fast food - KFC (whom I realize you didn't reference) is one of the worst franchises for sodium saturation in their foods. It's no wonder obesity is a problem in North America!

That example wasn't based around healthier, clean eating. Its based around providing the same body composition. Health is always the trade off due to lack of micro nutrients and as you also added, the preservatives they add to it.

My point is - I dont eat that much fat in a day let alone a sitting. But I guess you know it all...so keep eating fast food. I however dont feel liek dying from clogged arteries. And honestly this is why this forum should be men only - cause you women are annoying!

Why are you so scared of fat? Just sounds like you don't have an adequate understanding of it. Hence this weird fear of it. it's merely an option that is handy to know. Because at some point. Everyone has takeout..

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!! At 22 I thought I was god. At 34 I realize. Im not. lol. Not to mention the shit they HIDE in fast food. We as people cant even digest some of the processing they use. SO again...this is all just nonsense

As said above, it's a smart option for those that "do" have take out. I don't believe I said take out was a good idea.

You can always tell the young kids apart from the way the act. Maybe if more people listened and took advice instead of thinking they knew it all....we would have lesss guys startin AAS at 19 and ****ing them selves up

You are the exact person your writing about. Clearly wisdom doesn't come with age. Your already taking stuff (I assume) and lets be honest. Your knowledge on nutrition is at the bare minimum and if it isnt.. you clearly havent bothered to show it. Which a good start would be identifying in detail how i'm wrong. As you boldly keep suggesting.


This is my actual diet plan, I'd be interested to know how you could prove this wrong lol.

[swm1972]

This also assumes all fats are the same. I'd take the healthier fats in my salmon, bass, or mackerel over the artery hardening fat in your McDonald's.

I understand what you are trying to get at but there is no way you'll convince me that a nutrition plan (if you want to call it that) loaded with take out or even substituting some meals for take out is equivalent to a nutritional plan with the same macros that is based around healthier, clean eating. I can get the same amount of fat from 5 hard boiled eggs as the Quarter Pounder but I'd sooner eat the eggs over the near-food served up at any fast food chain. You are also ignoring many of the preservatives added to fast food that you don't find in healthier/organic choices even if the macros are comparable. As just one example, look at the sodium content in fast food - KFC (whom I realize you didn't reference) is one of the worst franchises for sodium saturation in their foods. It's no wonder obesity is a problem in North America!

All excellent points. Good addition.

[swm1972]

Clowned, I would personally move away from those protein shakes except in cases where pressed for time. You are already preparing food for quality meals based on that diet. taking the time to eat real food instead (IMO) of protein shakes was one of the most important factors in achieving my goals. Once I moved away from two to three shakes a day and replaced them with baked chicken or fish with sweet potatoes or oatmeal, I found myself breaking through the 240lbs plateau and went all the way into the 260 range.

I won't pretend like I know all the science behind it. But from my own personal observation, real food trumps protein shakes when it comes to results.

That said that diet takes discipline. Good job.

[clowned]

Agree 100%. I'm a uni student atm so it's more a matter of finances and whey is extremely cheap, not to mention it's nice to have a chocolate shake twice a day

I'm an avid milk drinker, so realistically it's only and extra 240 calories from whey a day. While the milk is an extra 600. I'd be curious to know how much calcium a person should intake a day. I might think about reducing it to 1 shake a day and see how I go..

[DigitalGorilla]

You did say it was a good idea and you keep going back on what you say. Just stop. No one agrees with you. You are young and have ALOT to learn. I asked a question here - and need an answer from someone who isnt living in a college bubble.

[clowned]

You did say it was a good idea and you keep going back on what you say. Just stop. No one agrees with you. You are young and have ALOT to learn. I asked a question here - and need an answer from someone who isnt living in a college bubble.

I never went back on anything I said.. are you all there?

[DigitalGorilla]

I never went back on anything I said.. are you all there?

Bro - almost all of your posts are edited by you. And you did say junk food was good, but listen Im not a little kid im not gonna fight with you. COngrats on your diet.

Now for normal adults with lives and some money to spend....the question at hand is Clen. Stubborn belly, fat thick thighs...will clen help? Some say HCG? Shes 29, 5'2, 135 lbs ... thanks in advance to anyone with advice on CLEN or another AAS suggestion..

[clowned]

Bro - almost all of your posts are edited by you. And you did say junk food was good, but listen Im not a little kid im not gonna fight with you. COngrats on your diet.

Now for normal adults with lives and some money to spend....the question at hand is Clen. Stubborn belly, fat thick thighs...will clen help? Some say HCG? Shes 29, 5'2, 135 lbs ... thanks in advance to anyone with advice on CLEN or another AAS suggestion..

Mate, do you actually believe the crap that comes out of your mouth? or are you just that stupid. I edited my posts seconds after posting them to clarify what i've said in a more constructive manner. So that what I said wouldn't be construed as something else. Not once have I ever gone back on what i've said. Any mods who can see previous edits would clarify this. I also never said junk food was good, I said for those that have it.. here's an option that could be used so bodycomposition doesn't go to crap. No ones going to recommend a drug for this when the problem is within the diet and maybe training. Your just blinded by your dislike for me that you cant see it. Personally, if this advice was for yourself and not for some poor innocent girl. I'd say load up on it and hopefully natural selection would win out.

[DigitalGorilla]

lol Like I said. Her diet and routine are perfect for her age and life. And everyone in here DID RECOMEND A DRUG. SINCE THAT IS WHAT I ASKED. Im not going to argue with you pal. You have your opinion. You expressed it. I dont agree. Now Move on to the next post.

[Times Roman]

Might be a good idea to throw up some pics of yer ol' lady so we can establish a base line much like a "before" pic. Ideally, we need a good visual, with as few clothes on as possible so we get the ability of doing a comparison with the pics you post of her later on. =)

[DRdee]

^^^2nd that

[DigitalGorilla]

Might be a good idea to throw up some pics of yer ol' lady so we can establish a base line much like a "before" pic. Ideally, we need a good visual, with as few clothes on as possible so we get the ability of doing a comparison with the pics you post of her later on. =)

I have some of her now ....but now shes almost where she wants to be. Before the baby - she was about 120. After the baby she was 151lbs....but wouldnt take any pics so I cant really show where she strated.... She stayed that way about 9 months...in January started to train again and shes now 132 I think. Wants to go back to 120.... First 20 lbs came off as expected...1 or 2 lbs a week....then she took some VAR - got great gains in stregnth and muscle...but hasnt been able to lose anything real since then.... But Ill load up some pics today