Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[rage223]

Atomini,

Could you take a look at this...

http://www.************.com/forum/an...er-964763.html


( board makes stars on some of the urls that I paste for some dumb reason.. Just copy and paste the link and add "elite Fitness" w/ no space (what is this? No freedom of speech?!) where the stars are.... sorry it's so inconvenient! Making me go insane that competitor forums/sites are not aloud to be spoken of lol wtf )

It talks about tren only cycles. Seems crazy to me, but they seem to be saying that it carry less sides. Then to stack tern with test. Off the bat I would assume that your estrogen would take a dive from having zero actual test in your system to convert to estrogen. How can this work correctly in your body?

[Atomini]

Atomini,

Could you take a look at this...

http://www.************.com/forum/an...er-964763.html


( board makes stars on some of the urls that I paste for some dumb reason.. Just copy and paste the link and add "elite Fitness" w/ no space (what is this? No freedom of speech?!) where the stars are.... sorry it's so inconvenient! Making me go insane that competitor forums/sites are not aloud to be spoken of lol wtf )

It talks about tren only cycles. Seems crazy to me, but they seem to be saying that it carry less sides. Then to stack tern with test. Off the bat I would assume that your estrogen would take a dive from having zero actual test in your system to convert to estrogen. How can this work correctly in your body?

They are partially correct. The sides are much worse when you run a hefty dose of testosterone with trenbolone. This is why I am completely against running a higher than TRT dose (100mg/week) of testosterone with tren. But I am ALSO against running tren on its own with no testosterone.

100mg/week test + 300mg/week tren is great, minimal sides.

400mg/week test + 300mg/week tren is much more heavy on the side effect end.

This is because when you run test at a higher than TRT dose, the body will react to the larger test levels by aromatizing more of that test into estrogen. Now you have high amounts of estrogen circulating in your system. Most of the progesterone and prolactin related side effects from trenbolone are exacerbated to a great deal by estrogen. The risk of prolactin and progesterone related gyno shoots through the roof in a high-estrogen environment. The idea is to keep this to a minimum by running a minimum of testosterone. This is why I reccomend a TRT dose (100mg/week).

I would NEVER EVER reccomend running trenbolone on its own without testosterone. That's just absurd - now you're going into the other end of extremes here. Without exogenous testosterone, the exogenous trenbolone that you are administering will totally shut down your body's own endogenous testosterone production. This means that the essential and vital bodily functions that testosterone and its metabolites govern are now being severely compromised. Now, you might ask the question "well, won't the trenbolone take over for those functions? And won't it be better since tren is so much more powerful than testosterone?". The answer is: NO!

Trenbolone may be 5x as anabolic as testosterone, but that's all it pretty much has going for it. Trenbolone is a progestin with very strong anabolic effects - it is not a proper androgen for normal bodily function. And when I say 'normal bodily function', i'm talking about far more than your libido here. The human body and endocrine system is not that simple. Testosterone is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it regulates the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets and hence platelet aggregation in humans, it is essential for proper mental and psychological function, and MANY MANY more functions and I cannot list all of them here. Just because trenbolone is 'better than' testosterone in one or two areas (anabolic tissue increases), does not mean that it is better than it in every single aspect and function. Trenbolone does jack shit in many of those physiological functions that testosterone governs.

This is why you require at least a normal physological level of testosterone in your body during ANY cycle of ANYTHING. If you do this, you minimize/eliminate aromatization which is the cause for making a few tren side effects far worse. The idea here is proper balance and proper levels, NOT complete elimination of it!

I do not understand why, in this little AAS-using world, people need to go to extremes at either end with these things. Listen to what Buddha said, and find the middle way, god damnit!