My first cycle

[austinite]

DAAAMNN... but heck 2 cycles in a life-time wont be too bad right??? 2 cycles of test e is all I really need. When you started at 19, did you came off the stuff or did you still do it?

The number of cycles isnt the issue. It's the damage to your HPTA that is done to folks that haven't fully developed yet. I only ran one cycle. When I saw that the pigmentation didnt go away, I didnt run another cycle and focused on trying to get rid of it. My "stuff" was still working, until age 27 and then it quit. So I developed erectile dysfunction. So since then, I have to use a magic pill whenever I want to get it up. I never cycled again till age 31. It really really sucks.

[wampo]

The number of cycles isnt the issue. It's the damage to your HPTA that is done to folks that haven't fully developed yet. I only ran one cycle. When I saw that the pigmentation didnt go away, I didnt run another cycle and focused on trying to get rid of it. My "stuff" was still working, until age 27 and then it quit. So I developed erectile dysfunction. So since then, I have to use a magic pill whenever I want to get it up. I never cycled again till age 31. It really really sucks.

What's HPTA? So your saying you started at 19 and quit gear until the age of 27? or am i reading this wrong. Hmmmm so your saying even 2 cycles can screw me up later in life?

[austinite]

What's HPTA? So your saying you started at 19 and quit gear until the age of 27? or am i reading this wrong. Hmmmm so your saying even 2 cycles can screw me up later in life?

Its the male endocrine system. Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis.

I didnt gear up until age 31, but I saw the damage at age 27. One cycle screwed me up, so 2 cycles can certainly do so.

One thing I didn't know when I was your age, was how much natural testosterone I was producing at that age, and still climbing. Also didnt know that cycling will shut my natural production down and hinder the ability to recover. With that much natural testosterone in you, you can rest assured that fixing your diet will lead to astonishing gains.

Give it it a try, go to the nutrition section and start a new thread. Post your stats and exactly what you eat in an entire day. The pro's there will critique your diet and fix it for you so that you can maximize your gains. You can inject all the gear in the world, if your diet sucks, so will your results. Give it a try, see what happens. Learn to eat and you will grow.

[wampo]

You definitely need to read the stickies on this board. It's dangerous to to cycle before your endocrine system has fully developed. It's even more dangerous to do it without knowing anything about it. I know it sounds great rich now, but it's not worth the risks. Listen to austinite on this one. With some adjustments in your diet and training, you could have some great results that will stick. Use these next several years pushing yourself and learn what your body can do if you take care of it. I promise you that you are capable of things you wouldn't think you could do natural right now. Good luck

I would rather build 20 pounds of muscle in 3 months than in a year bro...

Its the male endocrine system. Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis.

I didnt gear up until age 31, but I saw the damage at age 27. One cycle screwed me up, so 2 cycles can certainly do so.

One thing I didn't know when I was your age, was how much natural testosterone I was producing at that age, and still climbing. Also didnt know that cycling will shut my natural production down and hinder the ability to recover. With that much natural testosterone in you, you can rest assured that fixing your diet will lead to astonishing gains.

Give it it a try, go to the nutrition section and start a new thread. Post your stats and exactly what you eat in an entire day. The pro's there will critique your diet and fix it for you so that you can maximize your gains. You can inject all the gear in the world, if your diet sucks, so will your results. Give it a try, see what happens. Learn to eat and you will grow.

Well I think I have a good diet since I'm gaining lots of strengths every week. I am thinking about doing a dirty bulk on test e because I'm so lazy counting my macroes, I'll be eating 4000 cals a day 1.5g of protein per body weight. That's a good diet tho isn't it?

One cycle can damage an underdeveloped androgen system. Sure, there's a chance it won't. No one can make a factual claim that it will absolutely cause irreversible damage. However, the odds are not in your favor. There are those who have appeared to get away with it over the years. For example, we know a lot of the bodybuilders in the early days were using steroids in their teens and early 20's, and most of them turned out just fine. However, we don't know how many of them ended up on permanent HRT and we can't know that unless they all come forward and answer.

You're comment in the OP about growth plates...there's no hard proof that early AAS use will damage growth plates. This is merely speculation. However, there is sound evidence that use at your age will be damaging to your natural hormone production. When austinite referred to HPTA, this stands for Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis. Your HPTA, in a very generalized sense regulates your reproductive organs and also plays an important role on the immune system.

Long story short, yes, you could get away with it, you might but the odds are not in your favor.

sounds very scary... But what age does my HPTA fully done?

[Metalject]

I would rather build 20 pounds of muscle in 3 months than in a year bro...

Keep in mind, 20lbs of muscle, of actual muscle tissue is an insane amount of muscle tissue growth. No way on this earth a basic testosterone cycle is causing 20 actual pounds of pure lean muscle tissue growth in a couple months. I think a lot of people have a misconception about growth when they're looking at it in pounds. 5lbs of actual muscle tissue is a solid gain, 10lbs is a very good gain...talking about actual lean tissue and nothing else. Of course, when you're gaining, some body fat and water is always going to come with it...the idea is to minimize it but it's going to come at some level. Anyway, gain 20lbs from a cycle, and part of that gain will always be some fat and water.

Yes, for the record, you can gain a large amount of muscle tissue without fat and water weight, but you're getting into hardcore plans of massive doses in those cases that are nothing short of pure hell on earth.

very scary... But what age does my HPTA fully done?

Hard to say. Mid-20's is a good rule of thumb.

[wampo]

Keep in mind, 20lbs of muscle, of actual muscle tissue is an insane amount of muscle tissue growth. No way on this earth a basic testosterone cycle is causing 20 actual pounds of pure lean muscle tissue growth in a couple months. I think a lot of people have a misconception about growth when they're looking at it in pounds. 5lbs of actual muscle tissue is a solid gain, 10lbs is a very good gain...talking about actual lean tissue and nothing else. Of course, when you're gaining, some body fat and water is always going to come with it...the idea is to minimize it but it's going to come at some level. Anyway, gain 20lbs from a cycle, and part of that gain will always be some fat and water.

Yes, for the record, you can gain a large amount of muscle tissue without fat and water weight, but you're getting into hardcore plans of massive doses in those cases that are nothing short of pure hell on earth.




Hard to say. Mid-20's is a good rule of thumb.

Fine then but doesn't 10lb in 3 months sound good instead of 10 months? you save money too... Since I'll only be doing 2 cycles in a lifetime wouldn't 20lb of muscle in a short period of time sound great?

People are different, but a majority of the people I know who ran a cycle around your age didnt look like they were on AAS at all. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. I'm not going to tell you you can't run AAS at a young age, but I will say you should do some more research on your endocrine system and the impact it can have on your life.

Then how come I have friends my age who took AAS and look like they take AAS lol...

[Metalject]

Fine then but doesn't 10lb in 3 months sound good instead of 10 months? you save money too... Since I'll only be doing 2 cycles in a lifetime wouldn't 20lb of muscle in a short period of time sound great?

Sure 20lbs in a short period of time sounds great, and you're going to gain it and keep it all from only two cycles? If this is something you've figured out I need to make you aware of something, you're going to be an extremely rich man. My point, no one gains 20lbs from a couple cycles and then keeps it never to touch another steroid again. This only happens in magical steroid fairy land where the rivers flow with Tren and the dbol drips off the trees. Look over to the left and you'll see the HGH mines and all the happy dwarfs pulling out its peptide goodness for all the world to share. Just be on the lookout for the evil warlock who lives up in the mountains, the all powerful seeing eye Dr. Waddler who with his bands of ogres attempt to use their WADA powers to crush the happy fairly valley leaving it with nothing but withered useless skinny-fat men. No worries though, once the Halotestin tree blooms and sprouts, we'll be unstoppable against twisted tongue and demented Wadler.

Then how come I have friends my age who took AAS and look like they take AAS lol...

I don't know what zreinke meant by his response...perhaps it was worded wrong. Your friends who have taken steroids and look like they do, this isn't surprising. It doesn't matter what age you are, if you take steroids you're going to get results assuming the products are good. That's not the issue though.

[ghettoboyd]

I would rather build 20 pounds of muscle in 3 months than in a year bro...




Well I think I have a good diet since I'm gaining lots of strengths every week. I am thinking about doing a dirty bulk on test e because I'm so lazy counting my macroes, I'll be eating 4000 cals a day 1.5g of protein per body weight. That's a good diet tho isn't it?



sounds very scary... But what age does my HPTA fully done?

anyone that gains 20lbs on a cycle has no buissness doing a cycle to begin with...there needs to be a foundation or base of muscle to build upon...you will blow up with water weight and some muscle then loose it all because there is so much more to this than taking drugs...good luck...

[Metalject]

What's HPTA? So your saying you started at 19 and quit gear until the age of 27? or am i reading this wrong. Hmmmm so your saying even 2 cycles can screw me up later in life?

One cycle can damage an underdeveloped androgen system. Sure, there's a chance it won't. No one can make a factual claim that it will absolutely cause irreversible damage. However, the odds are not in your favor. There are those who have appeared to get away with it over the years. For example, we know a lot of the bodybuilders in the early days were using steroids in their teens and early 20's, and most of them turned out just fine. However, we don't know how many of them ended up on permanent HRT and we can't know that unless they all come forward and answer.

You're comment in the OP about growth plates...there's no hard proof that early AAS use will damage growth plates. This is merely speculation. However, there is sound evidence that use at your age will be damaging to your natural hormone production. When austinite referred to HPTA, this stands for Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis. Your HPTA, in a very generalized sense regulates your reproductive organs and also plays an important role on the immune system.

Long story short, yes, you could get away with it, you might but the odds are not in your favor.