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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1;6110***
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    You beat me on the test. Most I ever used without an AI was 1750/wk...1 amp of Testoviron Depot a day. Actually, that's the most I ever used with or without an AI. I actually had a fairly easy time controlling the water, at least easier than I thought it would be. I honestly believe most guys could control water retention so much easier if they just controlled their diet a little more...especially carbs. For whatever reason, I always seemed to have an easier time controlling side effects with far more frequent injections than what's needed on paper. After all, I know test-e doesn't have to be injected ed or eod, but there's seems to be (at least with me) less water retention when I inject smaller doses more frequently rather than a large dose once or twice per wk. There are some theories that support this type of large ester use as being beneficial, but I haven't seen any hard data that would concrete them.

    How do you manipulate your insulin when you're dieting? Obviously you have to use it no matter what since you're diabetic, but curious as to how you manipulate it during this phase to your advantage. I'm not a big fan of insulin for BB purposes off-season, too easy to get too fat. But I think it can be useful in some cases during a dieting phase in the right person if they're lean enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalject View Post
    After all, I know test-e doesn't have to be injected ed or eod, but there's seems to be (at least with me) less water retention when I inject smaller doses more frequently rather than a large dose once or twice per wk. There are some theories that support this type of large ester use as being beneficial, but I haven't seen any hard data that would concrete them.

    But I think it can be useful in some cases during a dieting phase in the right person if they're lean enough.
    Yeah no hard data, though heaps of people swear that prop gives less bloat than enanth and cyp. Doing little shots of test e like you said would more than likely keep the bloat down a bit.

    I read up ages ago about how far some pro's push slin whilst dieting, dam crazy man, they keep their sugars as low as possible whilst on as much slin as possible. Also slin off cycle is good, you stack it with hcg to keep the natural test high since slin lowers test levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leisure Suite Larry View Post
    Yeah no hard data, though heaps of people swear that prop gives less bloat than enanth and cyp. Doing little shots of test e like you said would more than likely keep the bloat down a bit.

    I read up ages ago about how far some pro's push slin whilst dieting, dam crazy man, they keep their sugars as low as possible whilst on as much slin as possible. Also slin off cycle is good, you stack it with hcg to keep the natural test high since slin lowers test levels.
    Yeah, what some of the pro's do with insulin is mind-blowing!

    I don't like the idea of insulin off-cycle. Too much of fat gain risk. It's already a fat gain risk when you're using it to bulk, but without high hormone levels this risk is going to increase exponentially.

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