test vs. test + dbol

[SMcB]

Thanks for all the input, guys!

IDK why everyone loves to rag on Dbol and claim that the gains are all water.
If it weren't extremely anabolic (twice as much as test per mg), it wouldn't be the most commonly used oral, maybe even the most commonly used steroid of all time.
Sure, it will add some water weight, but an AI can prevent much of the bloat.

BTW, it doesn't convert to DHT, but M1T (17-methyl dihydroboldenone), though at a low rate.

To answer your main question: the cycle with the Dbol kickstart will yield better gains, though I don't think it is really needed for a first cycle.

Wait, so dbol doesn't convert to DHT? I'm not familiar with the M1T compound, is that more or less androgenic than DHT? Theoretically you'd think dbol should cause less hairloss than test, since it isn't as androgenic as test. Do you know how many mgs. of injectable test is equal to 40 mgs./day of dbol?

[Shadowmaker]

Do you know how many mgs. of injectable test is equal to 40 mgs./day of dbol?

wtf is this? how many gallons of water is equal to 1 gallon of gasoline?
they are 2 different compunds, what kind of question is that?

[SMcB]

wtf is this? how many gallons of water is equal to 1 gallon of gasoline?
they are 2 different compunds, what kind of question is that?

Isn't dbol more potent than test on a gram for gram basis? So what you're basically saying is that if you were to run 50 mgs./day of dbol (350 mgs./wk) you would get the same results as if you were to run 350 mgs./wk of injectable test? I don't think so.

[Shadowmaker]

So what you're basically saying is that if you were to run 50 mgs./day of dbol (350 mgs./wk) you would get the same results as if you were to run 350 mgs./wk of injectable test? I don't think so.

where the hell did you get this?
i said that you dont compare 2 different drugs and try to think how mg of one drug equals some mg of other drug because there is no such thing... you cant compare dbol and test or dbol and deca or anything else... you could try to compare test vs test or smth like that but you just dont compare 2 different drugs - they were made to do different things and that is the reason why they exist - no one would ever make a dbol if some grams of test would do the same thing...

imagine that test is like a food and dbol is like a water... so - you cant really think that by eating food enough you wont need water, and you can never drink enough water to make up for the fact that you dont have any food because if it would work that way, ppl wont need one or other and we would have less problems in life...
same in medicine - if the dosage would be comparable no one would use on or other compund but just adjust the dosage.

[Bonaparte]

Not quite. It is more like comparing beef to pork. Many drugs can be compared in this way. Opioids and benzodiazepines are often compared to each other and used interchangably once you adjust for potency. Anabolics generally can be too, so long as you are comparing just a specific effect. As far as anabolism goes, Dbol is twice as potent as testosterone, so 40mg of dbol would be roughly equivalent to 80mg of prop daily.

where the hell did you get this?
i said that you dont compare 2 different drugs and try to think how mg of one drug equals some mg of other drug because there is no such thing... you cant compare dbol and test or dbol and deca or anything else... you could try to compare test vs test or smth like that but you just dont compare 2 different drugs - they were made to do different things and that is the reason why they exist - no one would ever make a dbol if some grams of test would do the same thing...

imagine that test is like a food and dbol is like a water... so - you cant really think that by eating food enough you wont need water, and you can never drink enough water to make up for the fact that you dont have any food because if it would work that way, ppl wont need one or other and we would have less problems in life...
same in medicine - if the dosage would be comparable no one would use on or other compund but just adjust the dosage.

[Leisure Suite Larry]

is deca better that dbol? Meaning less water weight

LOL!

ioldschool guys did months of dbol only cycles with dosages as high as 100mg a day - the results were great.

Heaps of guys still do oral only cycles, and i heard some of those old schoolers going way above 100mg ed......

Isn't dbol more potent than test on a gram for gram basis? So what you're basically saying is that if you were to run 50 mgs./day of dbol (350 mgs./wk) you would get the same results as if you were to run 350 mgs./wk of injectable test? I don't think so.

Yes Dbol is stronger than Test on a gram for gram basis.

[songdog]

Sorry if I pissed anyone off not my intenion.But there is a price to pay for everything nothing is free.And like I said if you were ment to lose your hair aas will speed it up.And from all the threads I have read nothing seems to really work.Some guys are lucky and keep their hair and others lose it.Like I said its the price of the game.And I am sorry if I offended anyone.