Tren/Mast/Test on cycle question (Have done some searching)

[Lunk1]

you do know, that if Weider would give such advice to young Arnold we wouldnt have our King of Bodybuilding and there possibly would not even be The Governator?

we can discuss that kind of "value" all day long
there is a 19yr old dude from Austria that became legend of bodybuilding and now is in the US Politics just because he didnt get that kind of advice, lol...

i would like some advice that will make me The Governator please, not the one that will make me rot right where i am, without any hopes and dreams... there is not much need for 40yr old abs in the world guys.
i know you have some knowledge but by trying to save some "poor soul" you also basically destroy some guys lives... when you shut down some 18yr old kid in here, you actually could be possibly destroying the next Ronnie Coleman.

I am not sure I understand your need to consistantly go against the grain Shadowmaker. YES an argument can often times be made for the opposite side of everything but I am not sure when handing out internet advise read by thousands it is a good idea to go against the odds and known averages and say maybe just maybe you should try it..because one guy was able to get a way with it and it worked out for him.

In this particular case the kid is 5'11" 166 at 17% BF! Like I said I am the same height and 240+ at nearly the same BF% and I consider myself 30 lbs or so overweight. At 166 and 5ft 11 inch this kid should be lean as hell but he obviously is not. I highly doubt when Arnold started juicing that he was outa shape and knew nothing about the gym or nutrition. You seem to be intent on giving ppl who OBVIOUSLY should hold off on gear an excuse to "cheat" and forget about what is really important.

Let us not forget that there are some very impressionable minds on here that have a way of hering only what they want to hear and gleaming only what they want to read from a post or comment so try not giving them an excuse to harm themselves please. Like telling ppl you have done 10 cycles by the age of 22...really??? Do you think that is the type of comment or advise that young teens should be getting? I am not talking about the 1 genetic freak who is going to make it. I am talking about the average joe who just wants to get back at the big guy in the gym that stole his girlfriend.

[Shadowmaker]

I am not talking about the 1 genetic freak who is going to make it. I am talking about the average joe who just wants to get back at the big guy in the gym that stole his girlfriend.

1)with this kinds of advice you give ppl, we would NEVER have any freaks... they would all be scared and hiding under the bed, waiting till they're 30.

2)getting back at the big guy could be a goal in life... my goal is to be the biggest and leanest guy whereever i go, except for pro bodybuilders... its a lifestyle choice - starting with a car, the food, tanning, haircuts, clothes i chose, house i wanna build, education i wanna have, job i wanna do. i have this image of a man inside my head that i wanna become - i trained for some years, gained 55lbs, never could get more weight up, so i started to do steroids...
now i see that the steroids dont do miracles - i still need 10 years to reach my goals, along with all the factors i mentioned(education, life).
so if it turns out good - i might start to feel good about my life when im 30... its already too late dude.

im just sayin - some guys have goals that cant be fulfilled by getting stucked at some point... life is too short to risk waiting...
get big or die trying... if you start at 30, you might never be that big you have always wanted - not enough time left