Test E vs Sustanon...looking for experienced opinions

[Lord Me of There]

Funny how the internet has made it so you can find just about anything...and damn cheaply to if you really spend the time searching and verifying, but that's not the point here. In another thread I outlined a pretty nasty shoulder injury that has stunted me for a couple years now. Not going to go back over all that here, you can look it up in the Over 40 Forum if you wish, but I got some excellent advice there and it's more or less led me to this question.

I have available to me quantities of Test E and Sustanon. My research seems to suggest, that in my case, Sustanon may be the better choice based on my goals. I'm not trying to get huge, not a bodybuiler, I'm trying to regain my upperbody mass so I can cut myself back into what my wife loves to rub her hands all over. Test E seems to be heavier in the sides department, and while Sustanon isn't a free ride, it seems to be about as close as you could reasonably expect to get. I am a little curious about the stacking of 4 different Test compounds and the bodies response to that as a first cycle, I may be worried about nothing there, but again and again I'ver read that a Test cycle should be every man's first run and since there were 4 different Test compounds in Sustanon, I wasn't sure if that may not get my system a little screwy.

So I'm looking for informed opinions here. Hopefully there are members with experience with both compunds who can share their cycle experiences and help me decide which route to go.

[songdog]

Bro I dont know wat you read but it isnt right.Sus has 4 different esters from long to short.So it has to be shoot more often.This can jack around with your blood levels.Increasing sides that you can experence.Now a long ester like Eth or Cyp you only need to shoot once some do twice.But you blood levels will be more stable.Beginners should start with Eth but its up to you.

[gixxerboy1]

both need to be injected 2 times a week. both are test. At the end of a cycle you will not notice any difference.

[Lord Me of There]

Yes, I understood the short to long esters, and the longer lasting deca seemed like it would actually stretch out the time between pins if my goal was to size up some, but not get huge. I saw that the shot intervals were actually shorter with Sustanon when people were using it as a primary bulker, but with the long acting deca ester I thought I may be able to use a smaller dose than than a bodybuilder while still maintaining some anabolic benefit well beyond the two-three day pin schedule might suggest. Remember, I'm not trying to scare Arnold or be Chuck Norris Approved, just get my chest, arms and back...well, back.

[Lord Me of There]

both need to be injected 2 times a week. both are test. At the end of a cycle you will not notice any difference.

Thanks. I seem to read here and there that Sustanon users seem to recover quicker from a cycle than single ester users. Any knowledge there?

[gixxerboy1]

Yes, I understood the short to long esters, and the longer lasting deca seemed like it would actually stretch out the time between pins if my goal was to size up some, but not get huge. I saw that the shot intervals were actually shorter with Sustanon when people were using it as a primary bulker, but with the long acting deca ester I thought I may be able to use a smaller dose than than a bodybuilder while still maintaining some anabolic benefit well beyond the two-three day pin schedule might suggest. Remember, I'm not trying to scare Arnold or be Chuck Norris Approved, just get my chest, arms and back...well, back.

yes you dont have to run as high of dose as a body builder to feel it. But your dose would be the same mg per week if you pick test e or sust. Your thinking to much into the ester timing
Decide on what total dose you want for a week. Then split it into 2 shots per week,

[gixxerboy1]

Thanks. I seem to read here and there that Sustanon users seem to recover quicker from a cycle than single ester users. Any knowledge there?

not true.

[Lord Me of There]

not true.

Thanks again.

Also, I do admit to overthought on occasion and it helps to have someone handy to snap me out of theoretical thought and back to practical application.

[Mrcivil]

The majority of people I know who have used test e have ended up with bad sides even in lower dosages and I'm not talking about 1 or 2 people I mean at least 10 people I know personally.

[Allaaro]

The majority of people I know who have used test e have ended up with bad sides even in lower dosages and I'm not talking about 1 or 2 people I mean at least 10 people I know personally.

Sounds like the people you know are all on the same crap...from the same guy? Because test-e/c should not be making you feel like crap.

[stpete]

I think test e should be everyone's first cycle. Not only because it works, but cause it's relatively simple. Pin twice a week for 12 weeks, wait 14 days then go on PCT. Doesn't get any easier. Have you done any research on AI's and HCG?

[Lord Me of There]

I think test e should be everyone's first cycle. Not only because it works, but cause it's relatively simple. Pin twice a week for 12 weeks, wait 14 days then go on PCT. Doesn't get any easier. Have you done any research on AI's and HCG?

The more I think about, it and taking into account Gixxerboy and your opinions, I belive Test E is where I'm going. Down the road I may come back to Sustanon, I'm intrigued with the possibilities of stacking it with Primbolan, but that's down the pipe a ways and if I can get and keep what I want with a cycle or two of just Test, I may never get around to it. I have checked into AIs and HCG, massive amounts of info here about that. HCG for sure all the way through to combat shrinkage and complete shutdown...less certain about the AIs, so I certainly would be willing to listen to anything you have to say on that.

[jimmyinkedup]

I would run an AI for sure. What is your weekly dosage going to be?
Id recommend anastrozole (arimidex) or exemestane(aromasin) - but to tell you what dosages might be best the total amount of test per week you intend to take is important.

[ScotchGuard02]

My first cycle was Sus250. Oh my goodness, did that first few shots hurt. I got acne carpet with sus250 front and back. I also ran Test E and it was fine. I think they're both good compounds but I'm emotionally scarred by the acne experience with the sus250. I have run it but in very small doses as to avoid as much acne as possible.

[Lord Me of There]

I would run an AI for sure. What is your weekly dosage going to be?
Id recommend anastrozole (arimidex) or exemestane(aromasin) - but to tell you what dosages might be best the total amount of test per week you intend to take is important.

Test E 500mg per week
Monday, Thursday pin 250mg

I may drop that dose some if I start to get a little bigger than I want to be, or if sides start getting out of control.

[Lord Me of There]

My first cycle was Sus250. Oh my goodness, did that first few shots hurt. I got acne carpet with sus250 front and back. I also ran Test E and it was fine. I think they're both good compounds but I'm emotionally scarred by the acne experience with the sus250. I have run it but in very small doses as to avoid as much acne as possible.

Did acne cause you problems in your teens? I never had that problem but have thought of buying Accutane just to have around.

[jimmyinkedup]

Test E 500mg per week
Monday, Thursday pin 250mg

I may drop that dose some if I start to get a little bigger than I want to be, or if sides start getting out of control.

Arimidex (anastrozole) .5mg EOD
Aromasin (exemestane) 12.5mg eod
Best of luck to you!

[Lunk1]

Test E 500mg per week
Monday, Thursday pin 250mg

I may drop that dose some if I start to get a little bigger than I want to be, or if sides start getting out of control.

It's like breast implants (how often do your hear someone say I got to big)? lol

The only MAJOR side you should have to wrry about if you run your AI is your wifes reaction to your new charged labido enjoy!

[Lord Me of There]

Arimidex (anastrozole) .5mg EOD
Aromasin (exemestane) 12.5mg eod
Best of luck to you!

Thanks for that. I'll add both to my collection.

It's like breast implants (how often do your hear someone say I got to big)? lol

The only MAJOR side you should have to wrry about if you run your AI is your wifes reaction to your new charged labido enjoy!

That's pretty funny there. Not sure what I'll do with all the extra energy, my wife's done cut me down to twice a week. I got off easy though, she cut two other fellas and one girl off completely. Ba-doom-doom. I'll be here all weeks folks, two shows Saturday and don't forget to tip your waitresses.

[Jozzy7]

The majority of people I know who have used test e have ended up with bad sides even in lower dosages and I'm not talking about 1 or 2 people I mean at least 10 people I know personally.

Sides are often attributed differently to people who are predisposed to a certain negative effect.. Some will be affected more than others and in different way. The reason for doing a single compound as your first cycle is generally to determine how your body reacts. As test is, or should be, the base of any cycle, I would just start with test e or c.. I did this with my training partner, I suffered very little sides, my parter was a bit worse for wear.. Same dosages etc.. I'm guessing it came down to our individual traits. Good luck.

Joz

[jimmyinkedup]

Thanks for that. I'll add both to my collection.

You can add both just remember on cycle you only need to run one or the other. Id recommend aromasin (exemestane)

[Lord Me of There]

Well here's a day one question that it just never occured for me to ask...what size pins should I get to send the Test to work?

[gixxerboy1]

Well here's a day one question that it just never occured for me to ask...what size pins should I get to send the Test to work?

i use a 25g 1 inch for every injection. i draw out with a 22g

[Lord Me of There]

I'm sure 1" is enough for calf, thigh, bi and delts, but will it dig deep enough for glutes? Personally, I'd rather not involve the bi/calf regions, but I am aware they are options, so my backside becomes a prime target.