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    If u use stims u could be slightly blockin the actions of clen. i would choose between the 2.

    Check ur BP when ur on clen and then again when off.. it should be lower while on clen. Also HR should go up while on clen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    If u use stims u could be slightly blockin the actions of clen. i would choose between the 2.

    Check ur BP when ur on clen and then again when off.. it should be lower while on clen. Also HR should go up while on clen.
    Huh? Blood pressure will increase on Clen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    Huh? Blood pressure will increase on Clen.
    The vessels with dilate creating a lower afterload on the heart, lowering BP. Thats why HR goes up while on clen. U maintian cardiac output.
    CO = Stroke volume X HR.

    With vasodilation, you decrease afterload ( aka pressure required to force blood throughout the body), so the drop in pressure required is the lowered blood pressure, which in turn increases HR due to the body tryin to keep CO constant. The body sees the drop as loss of perfusion, so it increases HR.

    u can also look at it as, more blood is being held in the vessels and less is being pumped with each beat of the heart. BP is the pressure required to move blood in the body with ( systolic = the pressure exerted by the ventricles during a contraction.. Diastolic = the pressure exerted by the volume of blood in the vessels)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    The vessels with dilate creating a lower afterload on the heart, lowering BP. Thats why HR goes up while on clen. U maintian cardiac output.
    CO = Stroke volume X HR.

    With vasodilation, you decrease afterload ( aka pressure required to force blood throughout the body), so the drop in pressure required is the lowered blood pressure, which in turn increases HR due to the body tryin to keep CO constant. The body sees the drop as loss of perfusion, so it increases HR.

    u can also look at it as, more blood is being held in the vessels and less is being pumped with each beat of the heart. BP is the pressure required to move blood in the body with ( systolic = the pressure exerted by the ventricles during a contraction.. Diastolic = the pressure exerted by the volume of blood in the vessels)
    While Beta 2 stimulation dilates arteries to some degree, real life will show you that the increase in cardiac output from the Beta-1 stimulation (which all "selective B2 agonists" also cause) more than makes up for it, increasing BP above baseline.
    What you're describing is a pure compensatory response like you would see if you took too much viagra. But with Clen you are also directly increasing HR and contractile strength, not just causing a compensatory response to hypovolemia.
    Last edited by Bonaparte; 09-02-2012 at 06:41 PM.

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