Chinese HGH concerns

[marcus300]

What did you expect them to say, they never going to admit it that its their company what are selling fake gh to the public/bodybuilding community. Myself and Ronnie have recently had it more or less confirmed they are selling fakes. Can say much at the moment but they are selling fakes, its not the heat in transportation or your not sensitive to gh blood serum tests lol. They are selling fakes and have been caught.

Again like I've stated before if your happy with them and the results you carry on but I won't risk my money again to a company what are scamming/selling fakes....

[Ronnie Rowland]

Regarding to the posts on some boards, we have done some research and talked with some people. We can give the following declaration and explanation:

1st. case:
We have purchased some FAKE ANSOMONE on internet, and after testing them in our Test Cencer, we confirm that there is nothing in them even some harmful chemical ingredients found. Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Nancy

Now this is scary! Here's my question: What harmful chemical ingredients where found in some of the fake ANSOMONE tested by AnkeBio ?

[swithuk]

What did you expect them to say, they never going to admit it that its their company what are selling fake gh to the public/bodybuilding community. Myself and Ronnie have recently had it more or less confirmed they are selling fakes. Can say much at the moment but they are selling fakes, its not the heat in transportation or your not sensitive to gh blood serum tests lol. They are selling fakes and have been caught.

Again like I've stated before if your happy with them and the results you carry on but I won't risk my money again to a company what are scamming/selling fakes....

I understand . I was just posting it for interests sake ....

Im not going to buy from them for a while . Im going to go for another brand . I hope i dont have the same problems !

[swithuk]

Now this is scary! Here's my question: What harmful chemical ingredients where found in some of the fake ANSOMONE tested by AnkeBio ?

Yes that truly is a nightmare !
Im guessing she is referring to the u.g.l that supply fake g.h in general and put chems in to reproduce the side effects of good g.h so the customer believes they are real

[EasyDoesIt]

Took them that long with consistent pressure to come up with that BS! I'm not an expert, but the sensitivity line is a new one to me and probably any Anti-Aging doctor. Ronnie or Marcus: correct me if i'm wrong but would that be somewhat comparable to saying after injecting a fast acting testosterone that your test levels would not be up due to the fact that your sensitive to it? If you inject or take any type of drug it is going to be in your system wether it works or not. Probably not the greatest analogy but close enough. The question now is what are they going to do after being caught?

[swithuk]

yes im interested to see how it develops . i wont be buying from them for a while .
they are certainly talking about it

[marcus300]

I understand . I was just posting it for interests sake ....

Im not going to buy from them for a while . Im going to go for another brand . I hope i dont have the same problems !

Yes that truly is a nightmare !
Im guessing she is referring to the u.g.l that supply fake g.h in general and put chems in to reproduce the side effects of good g.h so the customer believes they are real

Took them that long with consistent pressure to come up with that BS! I'm not an expert, but the sensitivity line is a new one to me and probably any Anti-Aging doctor. Ronnie or Marcus: correct me if i'm wrong but would that be somewhat comparable to saying after injecting a fast acting testosterone that your test levels would not be up due to the fact that your sensitive to it? If you inject or take any type of drug it is going to be in your system wether it works or not. Probably not the greatest analogy but close enough. The question now is what are they going to do after being caught?

The more they put things in writing the more they trip up lol

When the people contacted Ankie over issues with their HGH they said to all of them you will have send a sample bad for testing, but now suddenly they have all the batches to hand and have tested them. Doesn't that sound a bit suspect to you!

How do they know there is harmful chemicals in fake anasome?

Why are the fakes coming from the same area, same bank ( different account) and why are they identical, same box and same leaflet. Does that sound suspect!

Now they are saying even if you have had a blood hgh serum test and its come back low that doesn't mean the gh is fake, it means you are not sensitive to their hgh, I have never heard anything like that coming from a company what suppose to supply 100% genuine hgh. Does this sound suspect to you?

There is also other information what myself and Ronnie have what more or less secures they are scamming but can not mention anything yet ( please don't PM asking for it)

I'm really disappointed in Ankie and how they have turned on us all, I just hope some of the boxes are genuine hgh and not all are fake what they have sent out recently....

[itrain]

what is the consensus on the jintropin (ukraine & russian) kits validated on jintropin website

Heard good new about hyges aswell

lets get some other chat going here Ronnie is getting his replacements so they are making good as far as we know

[EasyDoesIt]

what is the consensus on the jintropin (ukraine & russian) kits validated on jintropin website

Heard good new about hyges aswell

lets get some other chat going here Ronnie is getting his replacements so they are making good as far as we know

I don't know about russian site, but I have used Jin from China in U.S. and it's junk. Just my experience.

Not to question your comment, but does Ronnie know you are speaking on his behalf? I have not seen any posts from him regarding this. But maybe I missed something.

[Sgt. Hartman]

what is the consensus on the jintropin (ukraine & russian) kits validated on jintropin website

Heard good new about hyges aswell

lets get some other chat going here Ronnie is getting his replacements so they are making good as far as we know

Most of the only legit jins that actually make it out of China (which isn't many) go to eastern Europe. Be very very careful dealing with those people though, they're a different breed, no offense. At least re GH and AAS........

I don't know about russian site, but I have used Jin from China in U.S. and it's junk. Just my experience.

Not to question your comment, but does Ronnie know you are speaking on his behalf? I have not seen any posts from him regarding this. But maybe I missed something.

Legit jins are real GH. But most people on our side of the world have never seen real jins any time recently. They're the most counterfeited and faked GH there is.

Ronnie already posted that his order was gonna be replaced.

[EasyDoesIt]

Ronnie already posted that his order was gonna be replaced.

Good to hear that.
Thx

[EasyDoesIt]

Regarding the Jin: mine had authentication labels where you rolled your fingers over the sealed label and felt threads of fine string or something and there site showed the same placement where I felt them. This was suppose to authenticate them. It was junk. Authenticated junk! That was my first and last experience with Jin.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I just wanted everyone to know that the main reason for purchasing this last batch of ANSOMOME GH was not for me or my wife to to prepare for a bodybuilding show but rather to help my wife heal from her 2-level foot fusion surgery performed 13 weeks ago. She still cannot walk without crutches! According to my doctor I had 6 more months left to reach complete fusion at the time we bought the last batch of GH so I decided to stay on it for an additional 3 months and I was looking great as well. Money is tight right now but getting healthy again comes first so we can move on with our lives. I am back to work but she is not capable yet so we don't have money to waste. I am sure everyone understands. I know marcus does.

8 months ago I had a 4- level fusion on my lower back in which they had to go in from the front the first day and put in cages, peek disk with instrumentation, and the second day they went in my lower back to put in bone taken out of both hips along with plates and screws for stabilization. I am very thankful that I received real ANSOMONE GH to help my bones heal but I am also very hurt she did not get real ANSOMONE GH to help her foot fuse together and it came from the same source. I have to admit I took it personal. She's the love of my life and I am sure everyone can relate. Her foot is still showing very poor bone density and this would not be the case if she had received the same kind of GH I got back in february from Ankie.

Here's 2 photos of each of us showing the trauma we have both experienced this year. I am doing much better but she has a long ways to go. We have both been to hell and back this year as far as pain goes. I am glad they have offered to replace the order. I just hope it's real from here on out.

NOTE: The two screws shown in my wifes post-op foot x-ray below are 4 inches in length. I had some really big screws put in my back as well. We have both been screwed-"literally" this year!

[EasyDoesIt]

Wow that's a rough time for both of you. When being a physical person, surgery at that level for both can be pretty depressing and draining. Stay positive and Hope the best for both of you. I'm sure you and your wife will push through and put yourself back in the shape your use to. Be Blessed!

[DanB]

Most of the only legit jins that actually make it out of China (which isn't many) go to eastern Europe. Be very very careful dealing with those people though, they're a different breed, no offense. At least re GH and AAS........



Legit jins are real GH. But most people on our side of the world have never seen real jins any time recently. They're the most counterfeited and faked GH there is.

Ronnie already posted that his order was gonna be replaced.

Correct and because of this, people on that side of world also fake them due to the simple fact that people generally assume that once they get their connect in Ukraine, Russia etc that they are legit, sadly this not the case the vast majority of the time

My advise with Jintropin from my own personal experience is this, unless you have a personal relationship with somebody in the authorised and legit countries it is available, then dont bother risking it, and if you do happen to find the authorised resellers, there is limited counyties they will ship to, so again you need a friend, relative etc if this is a relatively new game for you to eliminate risks

You are far from new to this game so you already know this, I just gave mexperience for the benefit of the member you replied to orginally


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[swithuk]

Regarding the Jin: mine had authentication labels where you rolled your fingers over the sealed label and felt threads of fine string or something and there site showed the same placement where I felt them. This was suppose to authenticate them. It was junk. Authenticated junk! That was my first and last experience with Jin.

just to clarify . your jins serial numbers were authenticated on their website and the label had the threads ?

[DanB]

just to clarify . your jins serial numbers were authenticated on their website and the label had the threads ?

Proceed with extreme caution when attempting to authenticate the brand in question, scammers have set up false sites for this purpose

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[EasyDoesIt]

just to clarify . your jins serial numbers were authenticated on their website and the label had the threads ?

Yes exactly! They are very technical on the net, obviously. They could have a jintropin.com site with pages not even viewed in there country. A complete different home page etc. I don't know how they do it for sure, but I'm just figuring the authentication site I reached authenticated products sold outside china or whatever. Also, they may have for legitimate purposes a log-in for docs etc. Type of home page, that log in takes to different site. This is speculation on how they do it, but I'm sure it was crap. NO DOUBT!

[DanB]

I know the site in question, it is not operated by GenSci

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[EasyDoesIt]

I know the site in question, it is not operated by GenSci

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I still have product and box for reference. I will check and let you know what I come up with. I remember checking various sites. Could it be "A" site of Gensci? I am heading out till tomorrow. If you post and I do not get back to you, I will tomorrow.

[DanB]

it difficult to post on open forum as it borderline, pm if you are still unsure

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[Sgt. Hartman]

I would be very very surprised if you can buy legit jins via the internet.......not worth the risk imo.

[EasyDoesIt]

I would be very very surprised if you can buy legit jins via the internet.......not worth the risk imo.

Nope!! I agree Sgt. Who knows who operates those sites anyway? I recall some time back changing the .asp to .html on one site and a different page came up. If someone was operating another site using Gensci name even if site had a different web address, Gensci would put muscle on them or muscled into it. Anything really big in China that is borderline legal or opportunity to be illegal is not run by nice people. The film industry and many other major companies are Triad based. May sound far fetched, but believe what you want.

[DanB]

you can get legit jins online via email but it very difficult and they only ship domestically and theyare also based in eastern europe so logistics will make it impossible for most

and as far as Im aware, it is mainly phone/mail order, so I suppose technically your correct and my above statement is wrong and you bith are indeed cirrrct

[swithuk]

lets get some other chat going here Ronnie is getting his replacements so they are making good as far as we know[/QUOTE]



> the point is , it is far from an isolated incident. several independent people are having issues with their product not being the same as before

[marcus300]

I think the best and most productive way forward is to bypass ALL Chinese hgh weather jinss, ankie or generics no matter which country are selling them. It's obvious they have excellent counterfeit facilities and also chemicals what gives gh sides so I think your better off eliminating all Chinese hgh completely so the risk isn't there. obviously the cost is going to go up but at least you won't have all this Chinese worries to contend with.

[swithuk]

I think the best and most productive way forward is to bypass ALL Chinese hgh weather jinss, ankie or generics no matter which country are selling them. It's obvious they have excellent counterfeit facilities and also chemicals what gives gh sides so I think your better off eliminating all Chinese hgh completely so the risk isn't there. obviously the cost is going to go up but at least you won't have all this Chinese worries to contend with.

i wasnt aware this was an option in the u.k ? i was going the chinese route as i assumed that getting g.h legitimately in the u.k wasnt possible or was prohibitively expensive .... ? what are the alternatives in the u.k ?

[EasyDoesIt]

I think the best and most productive way forward is to bypass ALL Chinese hgh weather jinss, ankie or generics no matter which country are selling them. It's obvious they have excellent counterfeit facilities and also chemicals what gives gh sides so I think your better off eliminating all Chinese hgh completely so the risk isn't there. obviously the cost is going to go up but at least you won't have all this Chinese worries to contend with.

My intention for this post is not to offend anyone. I have been burnt on more than one occasion and hope that others do not by sharing my experience. ALSO, MY EXPERIENCE IS BASED ON U.S. ONLY, BUT I DON'T THINK CHINESE WILL DISCRIMINATE ON WHO THEY SCREW.
I have had some pm feedback due to the fact that I stated I went to the gensci site and Jin was authenticated, but it was junk. First let me state that I have friends that I basically got tired of telling them there kigs, generics, jins are crap. On top of the fact that there standing in front of me anywhere between 10-25 years younger than me and not as defined, vascular etc. using 2 to 3 times as much hgh and looking like crap. They can not get it through there head that the product they are purchasing at the Wallmart price can not be mfg. at a cost cheap enough to grease all the sales reps palms. Lol
I'm the kind of person that will bluntly state, why do I look better than you then? I'm not pumping myself up, but I will call people on there ignorance, or blind faith. I know for a fact that some of the guys locally are purchasing the hgh I take for personal use and selling the JUNK!

I stated this before but not in as much depth: The Chinese are very technical on the net. I am pretty sure that all legal customers in Asia or elsewhere that they sell legally, would have a log-in as the home page, however they are doing it, really doesnt matter, they are! I do not know doctors here that purchase online, they have company reps and place purchase orders. The reality is that the site we are hitting is illegal sales site, It can not be purchased online legally. the chinese are aware of this and anyone purchasing has absolutely no one to complain to. Even if you went to Feds and said I am purchasing illegal products online and got fuc..ed they would say YES YOU DID. WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! The only people that will have legal problems are the ones purchasing. The chinese companies will basically be untouchable!
The site my junk product came from is the official Gensci site!
At the end of the day, the answer to this is going to keep rolling back to what Marcus states in the quote.
Think about the fact that: Would you purchase 5,000.00 worth of product at a retail store knowing there is no warranty, guarantee or refund? I doubt it, so why take the risk?

[marcus300]

^^good post, agreed.

[Swifto]

Its strange.

For a very long time now (6 years+) I have had the same raw powder supplier out of China/HK and he's never ****ed me over once. If something went wrong, it gets replaced, simple. I know we arent talking the same amount of money here as replacing 500ius of HGH is far more than replacing 100g TE, but still. Some of the Chinese are straight up and seem ok in my experience.

However, I never sent more than I can afford to lose. At the end of the day, I send my money to someone I have never met and know very limited about so its always a risk. Every time you send funds its a risk.

I dont know anyone thats been in this game a long time and NEVER been ****ed or lost a penny. Its pretty much impossible.

[EasyDoesIt]

Its strange.

For a very long time now (6 years+) I have had the same raw powder supplier out of China/HK and he's never ****ed me over once. If something went wrong, it gets replaced, simple. I know we arent talking the same amount of money here as replacing 500ius of HGH is far more than replacing 100g TE, but still. Some of the Chinese are straight up and seem ok in my experience.

However, I never sent more than I can afford to lose. At the end of the day, I send my money to someone I have never met and know very limited about so its always a risk. Every time you send funds its a risk.

I dont know anyone thats been in this game a long time and NEVER been ****ed or lost a penny. Its pretty much impossible.

I'm sure there are some people out there that do business on a much smaller scale than Ankie and reputation is a must for them to survive. Your probably dealing with a completely different level of supplier. Your supplier would of course be dealing with a different level of buyer. Automatically you would be considered a far more educated buyer, due to buying raw materials. Just for the sake of saying, I would guess your supplier is not dealing with the volume that Ankie is. Also, most of Ankies buyers, independent reps, whatever they would be referred to would probably be considered more educated also. But all of the people purchasing from reps would not be as educated of buyer, nor would the direct from Internet buyer be considered as educated of buyer. The uneducated buyer probably makes up 90 percent of the market even if you take into account a large percentage of small buyers buy from reps. Probably your supplier depends heavily on his manufacturing base to stay alive and would be on much smaller scale than Ankie. I'm just trying to put the difference together. Would you say that's fairly accurate?I really do not know.
As I stated in another post, I have some very good friends that are of Asian culture. The ones that are ruthless are Crazy ruthless. Also, the hgh market is so astronomical at this point. Even capitalizing on it for 2 or 3 years at the type of volume Ankie is doing would be a giant figure in dollars. The average consumer out there poking around on the net does not know much.

[Far from massive]

Ronnie just wanted to say best wishes to both your wife and you on your recovery. Glad to hear you are back at work. And I hope your wifes job is on hold till she is well enough (was going to say strong enough, but was skared she might take it as an insult and hurt me ) as the only thing worse than being hurt is being hurt and unemployed. Really wish you two all the best, it must have been really tough both of you being down at the same time.

Myself I had been having major problems with my left foot, it had been very painful and swollen for a month and I lost my job and health insurance 2 weeks ago, the good news is I worked on my feet and now its much better...so I will keep my fingers crossed that when I start another job it stays that way.

FFM

[itrain]

you can get legit jins online via email but it very difficult and they only ship domestically and theyare also based in eastern europe so logistics will make it impossible for most

and as far as Im aware, it is mainly phone/mail order, so I suppose technically your correct and my above statement is wrong and you bith are indeed cirrrct

Yes this is what im reffering to and the kits are written in russian I have pictures if you would like to see. and many bros have used with success however its a very discreet source so not many use or know.

Most people buying jins are getting fakes but that is because they are getting the HK or chinese kits with the chinese writing..

Easy does it.... THere are plenty of gensci sites you have to know which one is the legitimate to authenticate.

TBH after hearing more and more of this thread it just seems to me most people besides this one incident that I still dont truly believe soley because I along with many good bros have used anke for so many years seems to be like 1 big sourcing issue. Because i have seen top competitors using hyges, rips, novos, and thanks ...

Do some research and protect to ensure your investments build long term relationships treat this like a business as your source does.


Swifto I agree 100% with what you said ...

[ChuckEisenmench]

The more they put things in writing the more they trip up lol

When the people contacted Ankie over issues with their HGH they said to all of them you will have send a sample bad for testing, but now suddenly they have all the batches to hand and have tested them. Doesn't that sound a bit suspect to you!

How do they know there is harmful chemicals in fake anasome?

Why are the fakes coming from the same area, same bank ( different account) and why are they identical, same box and same leaflet. Does that sound suspect!

Now they are saying even if you have had a blood hgh serum test and its come back low that doesn't mean the gh is fake, it means you are not sensitive to their hgh, I have never heard anything like that coming from a company what suppose to supply 100% genuine hgh. Does this sound suspect to you?

There is also other information what myself and Ronnie have what more or less secures they are scamming but can not mention anything yet ( please don't PM asking for it)

I'm really disappointed in Ankie and how they have turned on us all, I just hope some of the boxes are genuine hgh and not all are fake what they have sent out recently....

I ordered Jintropin online(made in China). When I got the box it was in Rusian. The vials were wraped in Rusian newspaper. That was al and the box was flatened. I supose for ease of shiping and customs. It was sent from the Eukraine. It was GenSci. I tested for hcg-neg. I had BW done and it was wel over the normal range of 0.0-2.9 58. I went to the genuine GenSci website and checked with their anticounterfeiting site(GenSci-china/gensci/fake.asp) they list many fake sites. I entered the numbers that were under the graphic cover on the anticounterfeiting seal. The numbers were OK. The response was this batch was for Rusian export.
There was also a Europharm logo on the box and I went to their website and checked them out. (Europharm.com/en/products/488/). The picture/graphic was identical to the product I received. So since there realy is a HGH named Jintropin still produced I hope I lucked out and received real HGH!
Sory to get you of the track of the discusion.

[ChuckEisenmench]

The more they put things in writing the more they trip up lol

When the people contacted Ankie over issues with their HGH they said to all of them you will have send a sample bad for testing, but now suddenly they have all the batches to hand and have tested them. Doesn't that sound a bit suspect to you!

How do they know there is harmful chemicals in fake anasome?

Why are the fakes coming from the same area, same bank ( different account) and why are they identical, same box and same leaflet. Does that sound suspect!

Now they are saying even if you have had a blood hgh serum test and its come back low that doesn't mean the gh is fake, it means you are not sensitive to their hgh, I have never heard anything like that coming from a company what suppose to supply 100% genuine hgh. Does this sound suspect to you?

There is also other information what myself and Ronnie have what more or less secures they are scamming but can not mention anything yet ( please don't PM asking for it)

I'm really disappointed in Ankie and how they have turned on us all, I just hope some of the boxes are genuine hgh and not all are fake what they have sent out recently....

I ordered Jintropin HGH online. When I got the package it was from the Eukraine. The box inside was in Rusian and the vials alone were wraped in Rusian newspaper. It was GenSci. I went to their genuine website (GenSci-China.com/gensci/fake.asp) and checked on the anticounterfeiting numbers under the graphite on the seal. They checked OK and said the batch was for Rusian export.
Also on the box was a logo from Europharm. I went there and checked the website. (Europharm.com/en/products/488/. The graphic was identical to what I received froman other website not asociated directly with either of the two. Since ther is a real Jintropin brand I hope I lucked out and got real HGH.!
Sorry to change the trend of the thread.

[EasyDoesIt]

I ordered Jintropin HGH online. When I got the package it was from the Eukraine. The box inside was in Rusian and the vials alone were wraped in Rusian newspaper. It was GenSci. I went to their genuine website (GenSci-China.com/gensci/fake.asp) and checked on the anticounterfeiting numbers under the graphite on the seal. They checked OK and said the batch was for Rusian export.
Also on the box was a logo from Europharm. I went there and checked the website. (Europharm.com/en/products/488/. The graphic was identical to what I received froman other website not asociated directly with either of the two. Since ther is a real Jintropin brand I hope I lucked out and got real HGH.!
Sorry to change the trend of the thread.

How long ago was that and did you notice anything from it?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Its strange.

For a very long time now (6 years+) I have had the same raw powder supplier out of China/HK and he's never ****ed me over once. If something went wrong, it gets replaced, simple. I know we arent talking the same amount of money here as replacing 500ius of HGH is far more than replacing 100g TE, but still. Some of the Chinese are straight up and seem ok in my experience.

However, I never sent more than I can afford to lose. At the end of the day, I send my money to someone I have never met and know very limited about so its always a risk. Every time you send funds its a risk.

I dont know anyone thats been in this game a long time and NEVER been ****ed or lost a penny. Its pretty much impossible.

Swifto brings up a very valid point. China has consistently supplied legit powders to make anabolics to several underground labs for years. So, I think it gets back to two things 1) With steroids you can tell really fast if they are of good quality, watered down, or counterfeit due to both results and side effects. 2) Blood test easily proves or disproves their legitimacy.

On the other hand, Growth Hormone takes much longer for results to manifest themselves and lab test seems to not be as effective for judging their potency. Even AnkeBio stated that blood test only shows pharmacodynamic, not the actual legitimacy of GH. So like marcus stated you have to go by results you are getting or not geting. Afterall, that's how everyone makes judgement calls with various steroids as well. You can tell if it's good or not once you've had the real deal.

[dec11]

i wasnt aware this was an option in the u.k ? i was going the chinese route as i assumed that getting g.h legitimately in the u.k wasnt possible or was prohibitively expensive .... ? what are the alternatives in the u.k ?

dont know if its still around but i used very good greek stuff 2yrs ago and i know from another guy that used to be on here that it was around Wales as well

[swithuk]

dont know if its still around but i used very good greek stuff 2yrs ago and i know from another guy that used to be on here that it was around Wales as well

ok thanks

[Swifto]

i wasnt aware this was an option in the u.k ? i was going the chinese route as i assumed that getting g.h legitimately in the u.k wasnt possible or was prohibitively expensive .... ? what are the alternatives in the u.k ?

The pharm grade GH I have seen in the UK is very expensive.

Get lots of Norditropin Simplexx, Genotropin also. However, it is faked as well.