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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Welcome to the dark side 405

    1) You could see great gains from an increase in your test dosage. 500-750 mg per week would no doubt yield great gains! GOOD DEAL! great gains is what im lookn for!

    2)You should know the answer too this. If I am reading the question right then yes an increase in calories will still be needed to bulk. Steroids do not bulk or cut diet dose. Choice of compound can help determine the look of the muscle based on water retention and such.
    i wasnt askn if i needed to increase cals to bulk. i was asking if i needed to increase and/or maintain cals during what would have been my PCT? since im on TRT i dont need PCT but guys who arent on TRT when they PCT have to maintain/increase cals in order to preserve gains during recovery from cycle. i am wondering if this applies to me?

    3)Since you have been on test for trt I would not consider this your "first" cycle although the increase in test may be all that you want to try the 1st go round. I will add this. You are not the typical 18-25 yo kid coming in here with there head and rectum stuck together so I would feel much better about recommending tren to you than most given your work maturity. If you were to consider tren I would start at 75 mg per day with your test at 100-150 per day.
    thank goodness this no longer applies to me!


    4) This is debatable. There are many different ways to skin a cat. I have said before that I have run test/tren cycle with the test higher, the test equal to and the test lower. I have bought in to the theory of running tren higher and running test at the trt dosage and allowing the tren to do it's thing as there are only so many receptors available and tren is the stronger of the 2 compounds. If this is your chosen route then a dose of tren at 400-500mg per week while keeping your trt dose of 160mg per week would be fantastic.
    As far as the time to run? Depends on the ester obviously.
    not sure i understand what u mean by this? ester = shot frequency

    and thx for the response

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    not sure i understand what u mean by this? ester = shot frequency

    and thx for the response
    Ester =shot frequency AND time it takes to "kick in" (by kick in I mean the time before you start to typicaly "feel" results. In all actuality it's in your blood stream very quickly).

    My standard first cycle advise is 8 weeks on for short ester
    12 weeks on for longer esters

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    ive heard test cyp is not good to use for cycles and dont see anyone really mentioning it. is there a reason for this?

    test prop id have to do eod which leaves test e.

    not sure whether id rather deal with potential for undesirable sides lingering due to longer ester or having to inject eod..

    decisions decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    ive heard test cyp is not good to use for cycles and dont see anyone really mentioning it. is there a reason for this?

    test prop id have to do eod which leaves test e.

    not sure whether id rather deal with potential for undesirable sides lingering due to longer ester or having to inject eod..

    decisions decisions
    Not enough diff. between cyp and E to cause me to go away from E imo. What are you using for your trt? If it's E and you decide to stick with test only cycle then just up the dose. If you decide to give tren a go then I would stick with tren A and test prop just to keep it simple. The eod shots are not that bad! I kinda miss em (but I'm an odd duck).

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