Didn't recover. Need HELP plz

[jimmyinkedup]

Oh an I sort of knew I would face scrutiny for talking against a sponsor. Probably not the first time that's happened either. But have you heard of many people that clen didn't have any effect on? Even at 140 mcg? Guess what? Your sponsor sold some.

Why the chip on your shoulder? It has nothing to do with where you got what..thats my point. It has to do with the fact that if you are going to get post cycle bloodwork and properly assess your recovery - you should do so about 2 months post pct. As I explained to you thats why common advice dictates time off=time on + pct. Because it takes that long. You seem hell bent and hung up on the wheres and its bad and blah blah blah ..the fact is it simply doesnt work the way you are expecting it too. the only thing Im wondering is why you keep hearing what im saying (this would be what the 4tyh time) from experienced people , there is a standard rule of thumb that backs it, yet you refuse to accept or believe it.

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Why the chip on your shoulder? It has nothing to do with where you got what..thats my point. It has to do with the fact that if you are going to get post cycle bloodwork and properly assess your recovery - you should do so about 2 months post pct. As I explained to you thats why common advice dictates time off=time on + pct. Because it takes that long. You seem hell bent and hung up on the wheres and its bad and blah blah blah ..the fact is it simply doesnt work the way you are expecting it too. the only thing Im wondering is why you keep hearing what im saying (this would be what the 4tyh time) from experienced people , there is a standard rule of thumb that backs it, yet you refuse to accept or believe it.

hi Jimmy, don't mind if i have a question... a few actually.

in your opinion, if a pct is successful, when do you think the FSH and LH will rise in response to the removal of negative feedback exerted by circulating estro? i know everyone is different, but what do you think is the fastest and slowest?

how long after pct, if test, LH, FSH remain low, will you start to assume that the pct did not work?

when, if ever, will you consider someone should try a second pct?

all questions assuming the subject has just run a novice test-only cycle of about 500mg/wk x 12wks.

thanks for your time

[jimmyinkedup]

hi Jimmy, don't mind if i have a question... a few actually.

in your opinion, if a pct is successful, when do you think the FSH and LH will rise in response to the removal of negative feedback exerted by circulating estro? i know everyone is different, but what do you think is the fastest and slowest? The goal of using serms is to start that precess asap as you know. In fact with little to no estrogen present it would slowly start on its own but serms speed it up. I dont know the textbook answer to you question but for me i used to feel pretty lousy through my pct and a few weeks after it ended - but as you said everyone is different

how long after pct, if test, LH, FSH remain low, will you start to assume that the pct did not work? 8 weeks maybe even 12 at most

when, if ever, will you consider someone should try a second pct? After 10 weeks or so if my bloodwork came back like the above I would do a restart. Id use hcg and a low dose ai ..id cease hcg and ai usage and run a full pct. Clomid is proven effective but Scally has gone to the type of restart program im describing. Also of note the studies using clomid only to restart following steroid induced andropause (shutdown) administer the drug for what 4 months (Guay et al)!!!

all questions assuming the subject has just run a novice test-only cycle of about 500mg/wk x 12wks.

thanks for your time

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I know it sucks but this is the risk you undertake when you cycle. It happens. Perhaps we dont emphasize this risjk enough. Everyone is diff ...what crushes you may do nothing for me. I know for myself before I started recently cruising my post pct stabilized test levels ...about 8-10 weeks post pct btw were in the high 600's in my early 40's. Certainly an atypical result. Also you need to make sure to eat and get adequate rest and train properly during your pct and post pct when off. Those factors are huge.. (you prob know this but others may not - which is why im sharing it).
At any rate thats pretty much my take.