Didn't recover. Need HELP plz

[jimmyinkedup]

For someone as science based as you Bonaparte thats quite the speculative leap to make. Hell we dont even know his pre cycle test levels for Christ sake....
Im surprised you would definitively say that given all the unknowns and variables and interdependent response to steroids and hpta restoration of function , very surprised. Seems almost odd for you.

[Bonaparte]

For someone as science based as you Bonaparte thats quite the speculative leap to make. Hell we dont even know his pre cycle test levels for Christ sake....
Im surprised you would definitively say that given all the unknowns and variables and interdependent response to steroids and hpta restoration of function , very surprised. Seems almost odd for you.

I will concede that I assumed he had normal test levels prior to starting, since he made no mention of low test symptoms. Also, I thought I say him post that his TT was 27 or something ridiculous, a problem that no guy could be oblivious to.

So ok, there are a few possibilities:
1) the basic test cycle really messed up his pituitary
2) he had really low test to begin with
3) The SERMs are bunk.

Either way, this isn't characteristic of a normal HPTA recovery process (something is wrong, his levels should be much higher if he is going to recover to normal levels) and he should redo a PCT immediately (preferably with SERMs that aren't now suspect to the OP, so that we kill 2 birds with one stone).

[Lil man]

I will concede that I assumed he had normal test levels prior to starting, since he made no mention of low test symptoms. Also, I thought I say him post that his TT was 27 or something ridiculous, a problem that no guy could be oblivious to.

So ok, there are a few possibilities:
1) the basic test cycle really messed up his pituitary
2) he had really low test to begin with
3) The SERMs are bunk.

Either way, this isn't characteristic of a normal HPTA recovery process (something is wrong, his levels should be much higher if he is going to recover to normal levels) and he should redo a PCT immediately (preferably with SERMs that aren't now suspect to the OP, so that we kill 2 birds with one stone).

I apologize inked up first of all for being a little pissy earlier. It's very frustrating to take everyone's advice and read for months and everytime I make a post there is someone sag that there was no research involved pre cycle. And Bonaparte, do you recommends the basic protocol of 100/100/150/50 clomid and 40/40/20/20 nolva? Or should j maybe try a different approach?

[jimmyinkedup]

I apologize inked up first of all for being a little pissy earlier. It's very frustrating to take everyone's advice and read for months and everytime I make a post there is someone sag that there was no research involved pre cycle.

Its all good. I apologize for making that insinuation. I think now its most important to look at where you are and what you need to do to fix it. I understand the thought occurring to you that perhaps your pct was bad, but there are 2 reasons I cant get my head around that.
1- I know things don't always work out as we would like when it comes to this particular area. There are too many interdependent variables and also I think 90% of all people, if they got blood work , would be shocked at the results. Granted yours is a very bad scenario , but it does happen.
2- The thing that comes to my mind about the pct products being bad, and what I cant get past,is this. I have no idea how much of what products arr sells, but if I had to guess clomid and nolva would be a the top of the list as far as popular items. 1 out of 10 people who have a good experience with a product will share that information. 6 out of 10 people who have a bad experience will share that information. On the board I see a lot of positive feedback ..and virtually no negative feedback. This is the first post i ever recall seeing questioning these 2 products. I just think if bunk nolva and clomid were being sold the board would be flooded with posts saying so. Contrary to what some may think the posts about such topics are not sheltered or protected by staff (as evidenced here). I'm not trying to single you out or make you feel bad ... I am just pointing out an observation.

So anyway on to the solution. Whichever way you choose to go as far as protocol I wish you all the best bro.