For those who think gains stay.....

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But dec, with more than 20 yrs of training, obviously you've long passed your genetic natural human's limit. Which is why you need the juice to keep you at your superhuman level. But in your first statement, you asked young novices to take note. Slightly confusing, cos its those novices who are way below genetic limit that stand a chance to keep their gains.

If you could share your experiences, in your opinion, how many yrs of training did it take you to hit the genetic limit? In your case, i believe you think its around 90kg?

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But dec, with more than 20 yrs of training, obviously you've long passed your genetic natural human's limit. Which is why you need the juice to keep you at your superhuman level. But in your first statement, you asked young novices to take note. Slightly confusing, cos its those novices who are way below genetic limit that stand a chance to keep their gains.

If you could share your experiences, in your opinion, how many yrs of training did it take you to hit the genetic limit? In your case, i believe you think its around 90kg?

you miss the point, steroids wont build muscle as your body did when laying down genetic limits, all you do is enhance that muscle. take a natty lifter, goes at it hammer and tongs for 5yrs and then discovers he is really into ballroom dancing and shit. that muscle will slowly and surely disappear eventually, it isnt being used, the body thinks 'sod this free loading shit' and off it goes.

im not sure whats confusing, i meant novices as in ppl who are contemplating AAS and they shouldnt be in the fallacy of thinking they'll blow up and just stay that way.

hard for me to say about genetic limit due to lifestyle factors, i competed at 75kg class powerlifting for around 9yrs, i quit smoking and within 6mths i was 90kg class, i then progressed to 100kg class (usually 95-98kg weight, i couldnt get any heavier) within 4 or so years. im not and never was a body builder, i trained for strength not body weight and size.

i almost pulled 300kgs last week (just missed the lock out) and i can probably safely say id have trouble moving it off the floor in a few weeks time. so on that basis, can you say that my 6wks AAS cycle up to almost locking that 300kgs, was a permanent gain? no, it sure as hell wasnt. but i know with a strict cut, permanent HGH and graduated strength training for the next year, another big cycle this time next year, i'll be pulling over 300kgs @90kgs (was 100.4kgs last sat at comp)

hope that puts things in a somewhat clearer light.

i'd also like to point out that its a non testing federation, one doesnt cheat!