For those who think gains stay.....

[dhriscerr]

Here is a decent article on genetic potential, I know there are a hand full of formulas that help you find out your genetic potentials. Clearly if you let your hormones get back to normal your going to slowly lose those gains. Your body can't hold onto it its just not possible. Professional Bodybuilders are on HGH, Insulin, Gear amounts in a month that many dont run in a year. Most people wont even see their genetic potential without gear and once your there you definitely need gear to go beyond that. I think what people are trying to tell you is that people will see gains, and can maintain them up until their maximum potential, once you hit that, you can hopefully cruise around that and build a little bit each time your on cycle. You also don't lift for hytrpophy because your only interested in strength not size. Your not going to add 20lbs every time but hopefully you can add 5-10 your first few cycles until you get to your max once you get there AAS is the only way to go beyond that. With out HGH, Insulin, IGF, MGF, GHRP you can't add cells you can only expand and cause hytrophy of the muscle you already have.

Please note that this is a very informal post and my opinion.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

[dec11]

Here is a decent article on genetic potential, I know there are a hand full of formulas that help you find out your genetic potentials. Clearly if you let your hormones get back to normal your going to slowly lose those gains. Your body can't hold onto it its just not possible. Professional Bodybuilders are on HGH, Insulin, Gear amounts in a month that many dont run in a year. Most people wont even see their genetic potential without gear and once your there you definitely need gear to go beyond that. I think what people are trying to tell you is that people will see gains, and can maintain them up until their maximum potential, once you hit that, you can hopefully cruise around that and build a little bit each time your on cycle. You also don't lift for hytrpophy because your only interested in strength not size. Your not going to add 20lbs every time but hopefully you can add 5-10 your first few cycles until you get to your max once you get there AAS is the only way to go beyond that. With out HGH, Insulin, IGF, MGF, GHRP you can't add cells you can only expand and cause hytrophy of the muscle you already have.

Please note that this is a very informal post and my opinion

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

I do train in building rep ranges also, I've worked in the industry and am educated to degree level also. Muscle brought on Bt AAS is not permanent, plain and simple, everyone I know in real life shrinks back down and it only seems to be the internet warriors who reckon they keep the most of everything. Surprise surprise

[euphoric]

Muscle brought on Bt AAS is not permanent, plain and simple, everyone I know in real life shrinks back down

Dec, thanks for sharing. I hope I didnt miss this but I am trying to understand your point. Are you saying that people AT or ABOVE their true genetic potential will keep little to none of their gains from cycle? And those who are NOT YET TO their genetic potential are more likely to keep a higher percent of their gains from cycle? (Please don't infer that I am trying to justify AAS for noobs or people without serious time in training, as I feel it may look like that) just trying to understand your exact thoughts and experience. Thanks for your time and hopefully my question makes sense.

[dec11]

Dec, thanks for sharing. I hope I didnt miss this but I am trying to understand your point. Are you saying that people AT or ABOVE their true genetic potential will keep little to none of their gains from cycle? And those who are NOT YET TO their genetic potential are more likely to keep a higher percent of their gains from cycle? (Please don't infer that I am trying to justify AAS for noobs or people without serious time in training, as I feel it may look like that) just trying to understand your exact thoughts and experience. Thanks for your time and hopefully my question makes sense.

well I trained natty for 16 odd years so I'd say I was at genetic potential, tbh I don't get into the genetic potential equation for the simple reason that I don't think any of us can truly explain it and we are merely speculating

[dec11]

****ing phone, misspelling all over the shop lol. I'll continue after work