why is it so baf for first cycle to include tren

[austinite]

well is tren okay for a 2nd cycle then?

no. And for you, it's not safe to run anything for a couple more years because of your age.

[rhoads90]

no. And for you, it's not safe to run anything for a couple more years because of your age.

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

[austinite]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

Arnold? So you are not 22, you are 17??

This is ridiculous. Good luck.

[warmouth]

Arnold? So you are not 22, you are 17??

This is ridiculous. Good luck.

Another Arnold flashback. LOL!

[Lord Me of There]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

You don't know it did nothing to him. I've seen Arnold listed at over 6', but that's absolute crap. I've met the man twice and if he's a bit over 5'9" I'll eat a piece of barbed wire on live TV. One of the primary problems with early AAS use is a closing of the growth plates. So perhaps the big A could have actually made it to his listed height if he hadn't been pumping in chemicals while his body was still growing. You have a number of HIGHLY qualified people telling you what to do, but you're not going to listen. Good luck, I hope you don't seriously screw yourself up.

[rhoads90]

You don't know it did nothing to him. I've seen Arnold listed at over 6', but that's absolute crap. I've met the man twice and if he's a bit over 5'9" I'll eat a piece of barbed wire on live TV. One of the primary problems with early AAS use is a closing of the growth plates. So perhaps the big A could have actually made it to his listed height if he hadn't been pumping in chemicals while his body was still growing. You have a number of HIGHLY qualified people telling you what to do, but you're not going to listen. Good luck, I hope you don't seriously screw yourself up.

That is not true. Arnold was measured height and weight when he became gov and they confirmed he was 6.05"...and I am not ignoring what they are saying, I am just asking questions out of curiousity. I am not dumb enough to take tren on my first cycle

[Lord Me of There]

That is not true. Arnold was measured height and weight when he became gov and they confirmed he was 6.05"...and I am not ignoring what they are saying, I am just asking questions out of curiousity. I am not dumb enough to take tren on my first cycle

I'm 6'2" and the man looks me square in the adam's apple. You figure it out.

[rhoads90]

I'm 6'2" and the man looks me square in the adam's apple. You figure it out.

So I suppose the guy who measured arnie was part of a conspiracy?

[auswest]

I'm 6'2" and the man looks me square in the adam's apple. You figure it out.

when was this, people shrink when they get old, he's no spring chicken. You only have to look at him back when he was on stage to know he was over 6ft

[Metalject]

You don't know it did nothing to him. I've seen Arnold listed at over 6', but that's absolute crap. I've met the man twice and if he's a bit over 5'9" I'll eat a piece of barbed wire on live TV. One of the primary problems with early AAS use is a closing of the growth plates. So perhaps the big A could have actually made it to his listed height if he hadn't been pumping in chemicals while his body was still growing. You have a number of HIGHLY qualified people telling you what to do, but you're not going to listen. Good luck, I hope you don't seriously screw yourself up.

Young guys shouldn't use steroids. Agreed. But I still wish people would stop using the growth plate argument to back their case...it's a poor argument. There's no hard proof. People should keep the argument to where it has true teeth, such as irreversibly damaging the HTPA.

[lovbyts]

But everyone says test/tren has way more results than test only. I am not looking to keep cyling every year. I just want to do a 1 powerful bulking cycle of test/tren, and one cutting cycle of test tren. and never cycle again What is wrong with this thinking?

Everything. It just doesnt work that way and you wont get more out of a 1st cycle of test tren than you would out of tren and you wont get anything out of either if your diet isnt spot on except loosing most everything if not everything you do gain.

no. And for you, it's not safe to run anything for a couple more years because of your age.

Agreed unless you dont care about ED, fused growth plates, extreme acne and many other sides.

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

Are you Arnold? Do you have identical genetics? Did he tell you what he took? You are the same as 1000s of kids who thought and said the same thing and have failed miserable due to not having patience and starting slow along with learning. This is not something you want to learn by making mistakes that can effect the rest of your life.

[ghettoboyd]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

dam you kids beat this point to death trying to justify irresposible decisions...do what you want man but no one here is going to give you the "high five" your looking for...ooh and i look forward to your "i took tren on my first cycle and now my dick is broken, what do i do know?" thread...should be stellar....

[Atomini]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

HOLY SHIT!

I normally refrain from posting in these threads (especially one concerning Tren, considering I devoted a giant write-up to it at the top of the forum where I do extensively answer the main question here). However, i'm sorry, I can't sit quietly here when I see such stupid comments like this popped off.

You think we don't get this kind of attitude around here every week for years upon years ever since this forum began? You think when you pull the whole "look at [INSERT FAMOUS BODYBUILDER/EX-BODYBUILDER HERE], he took steroids since he was two years old and he's okay!" that we haven't heard it before? You think we were born yesterday? First of all, who are you? Where did you get your degree in endocrinology? Are you Arnold's personal physician? Are you his endocrinologist? No, wait - you must be his personal biographer! Even they don't get that kind of information out of people!

How do you know Arnold is not on HRT right now? He likely is. How do you know he hasn't been on HRT since he was in his late 20s for starting anabolic steroids at such a young age? YOU DON'T KNOW! You assume that because you still see his face on TV and in the movies that he's a-ok and has no health problems. Let me break reality to you: you are dead wrong. You don't know if he is in perfect health or if he has serious underlying issues, or bad damage to his HPTA. Arnold (and nearly all of the other bodybuilders of his time) is far more likely to have serious issues at his age right now with regards to his HPTA, because he started using AAS at a time when proper protocols, PCT, etc. were nonexistant, and back at a time when nobody knew a damn thing about this stuff! Stop making stupid excuses up in your mind to validate using anabolic steroids at an inappropriate age, when you are being properly instructed and informed to do otherwise. It will behoove you right now and in the long run to stop the self-bullshitting.

Grow up.

That's all I have to say on this.

[Lunk1]

HOLY SHIT!

I normally refrain from posting in these threads (especially one concerning Tren, considering I devoted a giant write-up to it at the top of the forum where I do extensively answer the main question here). However, i'm sorry, I can't sit quietly here when I see such stupid comments like this popped off.

You think we don't get this kind of attitude around here every week for years upon years ever since this forum began? You think when you pull the whole "look at [INSERT FAMOUS BODYBUILDER/EX-BODYBUILDER HERE], he took steroids since he was two years old and he's okay!" that we haven't heard it before? You think we were born yesterday? First of all, who are you? Where did you get your degree in endocrinology? Are you Arnold's personal physician? Are you his endocrinologist? No, wait - you must be his personal biographer! Even they don't get that kind of information out of people!

How do you know Arnold is not on HRT right now? He likely is. How do you know he hasn't been on HRT since he was in his late 20s for starting anabolic steroids at such a young age? YOU DON'T KNOW! You assume that because you still see his face on TV and in the movies that he's a-ok and has no health problems. Let me break reality to you: you are dead wrong. You don't know if he is in perfect health or if he has serious underlying issues, or bad damage to his HPTA. Arnold (and nearly all of the other bodybuilders of his time) is far more likely to have serious issues at his age right now with regards to his HPTA, because he started using AAS at a time when proper protocols, PCT, etc. were nonexistant, and back at a time when nobody knew a damn thing about this stuff! Stop making stupid excuses up in your mind to validate using anabolic steroids at an inappropriate age, when you are being properly instructed and informed to do otherwise. It will behoove you right now and in the long run to stop the self-bullshitting.

Grow up.

That's all I have to say on this.

Good job Forest

[Metalject]

HOLY SHIT!

I normally refrain from posting in these threads (especially one concerning Tren, considering I devoted a giant write-up to it at the top of the forum where I do extensively answer the main question here). However, i'm sorry, I can't sit quietly here when I see such stupid comments like this popped off.

You think we don't get this kind of attitude around here every week for years upon years ever since this forum began? You think when you pull the whole "look at [INSERT FAMOUS BODYBUILDER/EX-BODYBUILDER HERE], he took steroids since he was two years old and he's okay!" that we haven't heard it before? You think we were born yesterday? First of all, who are you? Where did you get your degree in endocrinology? Are you Arnold's personal physician? Are you his endocrinologist? No, wait - you must be his personal biographer! Even they don't get that kind of information out of people!

How do you know Arnold is not on HRT right now? He likely is. How do you know he hasn't been on HRT since he was in his late 20s for starting anabolic steroids at such a young age? YOU DON'T KNOW! You assume that because you still see his face on TV and in the movies that he's a-ok and has no health problems. Let me break reality to you: you are dead wrong. You don't know if he is in perfect health or if he has serious underlying issues, or bad damage to his HPTA. Arnold (and nearly all of the other bodybuilders of his time) is far more likely to have serious issues at his age right now with regards to his HPTA, because he started using AAS at a time when proper protocols, PCT, etc. were nonexistant, and back at a time when nobody knew a damn thing about this stuff! Stop making stupid excuses up in your mind to validate using anabolic steroids at an inappropriate age, when you are being properly instructed and informed to do otherwise. It will behoove you right now and in the long run to stop the self-bullshitting.

Grow up.

That's all I have to say on this.

Not trying to bust balls or anything, but someone being an endocrinologist or any type of doctor is in my opinion not enough to take their word to heart when it comes to any topic on anabolic steroids. Some of these guys are the worst at perpetuating the hysteria with massive amounts of misinformation.