1st cycle: test cyp @ 500mg/wk - 12 weeks!

[ANIMAL]

Aren't you concerned during PCT not having any HCG when test levels start to drop and the body is all out of whack? I'm trying to justify sticking to 250iu from here on out instead of the 2 week on/2 week off method with a blast during PCT.

[Trying-Hard]

Aren't you concerned during PCT not having any HCG when test levels start to drop and the body is all out of whack? I'm trying to justify sticking to 250iu from here on out instead of the 2 week on/2 week off method with a blast during PCT.

I am being told to NOT incorporate HCG during PCT, but to keep on using it throughout cycle and up to 5 days before PCT. My exact plan is as follows:

Week 14 - finish cycle (still doing 500 IUs/wk here, along with AI protocol)
Week 15 - 16: 1000 IU/wk, along with AI protocol
Week 17 - 20: PCT (Clomid/Nolva - drop AI and HCG)

[ANIMAL]

I am being told to NOT incorporate HCG during PCT, but to keep on using it throughout cycle and up to 5 days before PCT. My exact plan is as follows:

Week 14 - finish cycle (still doing 500 IUs/wk here, along with AI protocol)
Week 15 - 16: 1000 IU/wk, along with AI protocol
Week 17 - 20: PCT (Clomid/Nolva - drop AI and HCG)

Right, I get that part. But I'm looking for more facts then people saying "don't do hcg during PCT". Like, what is the reason why people don't suggest HCG in PCT. I can give you reasons why it should be included, but I have only read people say "don't" with ZERO facts or reasoning other then "I read it on the forum from a guy who looks like Arnold."

[MickeyKnox]

Right, I get that part. But I'm looking for more facts then people saying "don't do hcg during PCT". Like, what is the reason why people don't suggest HCG in PCT. I can give you reasons why it should be included, but I have only read people say "don't" with ZERO facts or reasoning other then "I read it on the forum from a guy who looks like Arnold."

why would you WANT testicular atrophy?? if you could prevent it on cycle would you? and if you ran hcg on cycle you would not be entering your pct and requiring hcg to assist in restarting hpta. your restart is a lot smother and easier if your testies are functioning when entering pct portion of your cycle. this is what i beleive based on information from Dr. Chrisler, Dr Shippen, and a host of AAS users with tons of current experience.

[Trying-Hard]

^^ run your hcg on cycle and up to the beginning of your pct. pin hcg one day before your test for max results.

Right, that is what I am doing (as you can see from my post #82) excepet I pin HCG 2 days after my test cyp injections to keep T levels stable. I am also stopping HCG 4-5days before PCT (these are all Swifto's recommendations. If you don't agree, I'd love to hear why)

why would you WANT testicular atrophy?? if you could prevent it on cycle would you? and if you ran hcg on cycle you would not be entering your pct and requiring hcg to assist in restarting hpta. your restart is a lot smother and easier if your testies are functioning when entering pct portion of your cycle. this is what i beleive based on information from Dr. Chrisler, Dr Shippen, and a host of AAS users with tons of current experience.

This was also my understanding, but I know ANIMAL said he has spoken with very experienced bodybuilders/doctors who recommend another route for HCG. So who knows....