This study made me change my mind i guess

[Brazensol]

Just turned 40 last June, i feel that the perfect age to start low dose steroid is 40. To help with recuperation and fat loss.

I remember being younger a guy at the gym did a testosterone cycle no more then 200mg per week, he did an 8 weeks cycle with good diet, he lost a lot of fat and build an amazing physique, he was 41 years old.

Not sure what happened after is cycle tough i did not see him at the gym after that.

Is 200mgs/week really enough to make serious progress? If yes, then this is very intriguing to me! I was under the impression to get serious gains from the testosterone you had to be on a much higher dose.

[Times Roman]

Is 200mgs/week really enough to make serious progress? If yes, then this is very intriguing to me! I was under the impression to get serious gains from the testosterone you had to be on a much higher dose.

he's talking abouut a trt dose, not a cycle dose (not to speak for yannick). a trt dose can take up to two full years to realize all the intended health benefits (increased bone density, body resculpting, etc.)

[yannick35]

he's talking abouut a trt dose, not a cycle dose (not to speak for yannick). a trt dose can take up to two full years to realize all the intended health benefits (increased bone density, body resculpting, etc.)

For what i read and here testosterone is an amazing hormone my natural T is around 700 natural, but i supplement with 100mg of test per week i want to reap the benefits bone density and a lot more.

But this time around i got an AI, HCG and a great team behind me. Last year i was with a stupid doctor.

All i can afford for HGH if its year round is 1IU per day or do simple 6 month cycle of 2IU per day 5/2 but in the end will it be worth it, what will i have gained.

My hair has grown a lot since i started taking this collagen supplement, this intended to fix my ligament laxity, i cannot say GH had a strong impact.

3-4IU is good for fatloss but i don't have that kind of money to put on GH, worst if testosterone gets me where i want to be i have a full script for it at 9$ per bottle.

At the price i pay GH i could buy another trip to Mexico with my girlfriend. Better that then put X amount of money on GH each year.

[Times Roman]

For what i read and here testosterone is an amazing hormone my natural T is around 700 natural, but i supplement with 100mg of test per week i want to reap the benefits bone density and a lot more.
But this time around i got an AI, HCG and a great team behind me. Last year i was with a stupid doctor.

All i can afford for HGH if its year round is 1IU per day or do simple 6 month cycle of 2IU per day 5/2 but in the end will it be worth it, what will i have gained.

My hair has grown a lot since i started taking this collagen supplement, this intended to fix my ligament laxity, i cannot say GH had a strong impact.

3-4IU is good for fatloss but i don't have that kind of money to put on GH, worst if testosterone gets me where i want to be i have a full script for it at 9$ per bottle.

At the price i pay GH i could buy another trip to Mexico with my girlfriend. Better that then put X amount of money on GH each year.

Mate,
If your natural T is 700, then i'd just go with that. that is about what mine is after trt. but it doesn't work the way you are thinking. 700 natty + 100 added exogeneously does not equal 800 total. the 100 exo you add will partially surpress your natty, and the best you can hope for is still 700. maybe you should start a thread on this and we can debate more specifically, with multiple opinions so you will see my point.
Please take care?
---Roman

[yannick35]

Mate,
If your natural T is 700, then i'd just go with that. that is about what mine is after trt. but it doesn't work the way you are thinking. 700 natty + 100 added exogeneously does not equal 800 total. the 100 exo you add will partially surpress your natty, and the best you can hope for is still 700. maybe you should start a thread on this and we can debate more specifically, with multiple opinions so you will see my point.
Please take care?
---Roman

Always a pleasure talking to you Times you got great info. You are right about the 100mg i am planning a cycle but will not go above 200mg last time it really did the trick.

[Times Roman]

Always a pleasure talking to you Times you got great info. You are right about the 100mg i am planning a cycle but will not go above 200mg last time it really did the trick.

Thanks mate.

I am totally confused. If your natty T levels are at 700, why would you pin exogeneously at 100 or 200mg? Adding test will surpress your natty production.

Unless you really are not at 700?

Something doesnt' seem right?

Maybe Gdivine or Vettester can step in here?

[yannick35]

Thanks mate.

I am totally confused. If your natty T levels are at 700, why would you pin exogeneously at 100 or 200mg? Adding test will surpress your natty production.

Unless you really are not at 700?

Something doesnt' seem right?

Maybe Gdivine or Vettester can step in here?

200mg seems to be the sweet spot for me, coming back is very easy, with HCG, and armidex does the trick. At 200mg with a good training program i can also keep some of the gains i made. Like i said i spot with an older juicer 62 years old the guy and he been using steroids for 35 years he alsways does cycles with deca, test and kick off with dianabol, 200mg for each and dianabol 20mg per day for 3-4 weeks.

What he said made sense to me, coming back is a lot easier when you do low dosage then using supra dosage like 500mg deca and 600mg test don't you agree?

[MyteeJ]

For what i read and here testosterone is an amazing hormone my natural T is around 700 natural, but i supplement with 100mg of test per week i want to reap the benefits bone density and a lot more.

But this time around i got an AI, HCG and a great team behind me. Last year i was with a stupid doctor.

All i can afford for HGH if its year round is 1IU per day or do simple 6 month cycle of 2IU per day 5/2 but in the end will it be worth it, what will i have gained.

My hair has grown a lot since i started taking this collagen supplement, this intended to fix my ligament laxity, i cannot say GH had a strong impact.

3-4IU is good for fatloss but i don't have that kind of money to put on GH, worst if testosterone gets me where i want to be i have a full script for it at 9$ per bottle.

At the price i pay GH i could buy another trip to Mexico with my girlfriend. Better that then put X amount of money on GH each year.

Yans - Is the collagen supplement otc? You have me thinking about that now after our earlier convo last week. My joints are awful from injury and simple wear and tear. Thanks.

[Brazensol]

he's talking abouut a trt dose, not a cycle dose (not to speak for yannick). a trt dose can take up to two full years to realize all the intended health benefits (increased bone density, body resculpting, etc.)

My thoughts exactly. 200 mgs is a trt dose (although somewhat on the high side) and I was thinking cycling was considerably higher. I like the idea of 200 mgs since I am on trt anyway and any gains I make I get to keep! It's fine if it takes a bit longer (good things come to those who wait) than cycling. I'm on 120 mgs/week now and based on my response to this I think I need to increase to at least 140 to 150 mgs/week.

[yannick35]

My thoughts exactly. 200 mgs is a trt dose (although somewhat on the high side) and I was thinking cycling was considerably higher. I like the idea of 200 mgs since I am on trt anyway and any gains I make I get to keep! It's fine if it takes a bit longer (good things come to those who wait) than cycling. I'm on 120 mgs/week now and based on my response to this I think I need to increase to at least 140 to 150 mgs/week.

Great info, yes acutally 200mg say deca and 200mg of testosterone E or C will work wonders, and since you dont go crazy like 400mg deca and 600mg T a week its easier for your system to bounce back after PCT and you get to keep some gains, also it is not apparent you are on steroids because the results are not that drastic. When i do so i gain a lot and people start talking i just tell them i hit then gym hard during a certain period. Looking forward to the next year now that back pain issues are 80% resolve.

Lets see what this 40 year old body is capable off.

[Brazensol]

Great info, yes acutally 200mg say deca and 200mg of testosterone E or C will work wonders, and since you dont go crazy like 400mg deca and 600mg T a week its easier for your system to bounce back after PCT and you get to keep some gains, also it is not apparent you are on steroids because the results are not that drastic. When i do so i gain a lot and people start talking i just tell them i hit then gym hard during a certain period. Looking forward to the next year now that back pain issues are 80% resolve.

Lets see what this 40 year old body is capable off.

So you still have to supplement with other steroids? I was hoping T cyp would be enough to do the trick...

And oh, to be 40 again!

[yannick35]

Is 200mgs/week really enough to make serious progress? If yes, then this is very intriguing to me! I was under the impression to get serious gains from the testosterone you had to be on a much higher dose.

I am gonna go off topic here and share a conversation that i had last week with a 62 year old men. My medical doctor that gives me prolotherapy introduced me to him, we talk for one hour. He has been using steroids for 35 years, he still uses steroids and never went over 200mg for deca and test E, and yes he made great gains. Not supra gains but good gains that he was able to keep after since it was not blown out of proportion. Last year i did a 200mg deca, test E and masteron cycle 20 weeks and i put on 44 pounds yes water, yes fat but some of it was also muscles. If you have good gear 200mg of testosterone is very strong.

I am going on cycle in October using 200mg depo testosterone, 300mg equpoise not sure if i will add 150mg of tren. But keeping dosage low and going for 12 weeks cycle, its easier to comeback with a good PCT. Of course diet and training must be prime.

This men told me that he does 12 weeks cycle, never used any supplement except milk and egg protein back in the early 80, never used more then 200mg of each deca and test. He also use dianabol 20mg to kick start all is cycles. He is freaken big and massive for is age. He sort of blew out is shoulder and why he is getting prolo now. He has never taken GH.