I read,after a cycle you should expect to lose 90% of your gains, what's the point?

[Metalject]

When it comes to keeping size gains, in my opinion here's a good way to look at it.

1. If you're not at your natural genetic limit in terms of the total amount of muscle mass your body can naturally handle and maintain, if you use gear and continue training with a solid diet after use you should be able to hang onto a substantial amount of the added mass. All of it? Probably not, but a decent portion. Repeat this a time or two and you'll end up a little bigger every time.

2. If you're at your body's natural genetic limit in terms of how much mass it can support, once you discontinue gear you're going to lose a substantial amount of mass once enough time has lapsed. It will not matter how hard you train or how solid your diet is, you will lose a substantial amount of the mass because your body needs the excess hormones to support it.

[Sharmthetics]

When it comes to keeping size gains, in my opinion here's a good way to look at it.

1. If you're not at your natural genetic limit in terms of the total amount of muscle mass your body can naturally handle and maintain, if you use gear and continue training with a solid diet after use you should be able to hang onto a substantial amount of the added mass. All of it? Probably not, but a decent portion. Repeat this a time or two and you'll end up a little bigger every time.

2. If you're at your body's natural genetic limit in terms of how much mass it can support, once you discontinue gear you're going to lose a substantial amount of mass once enough time has lapsed. It will not matter how hard you train or how solid your diet is, you will lose a substantial amount of the mass because your body needs the excess hormones to support it.

So why would you cycle when at or past your genetic limit? Most people look at their aesthetic best when at their genetic limit and with low body fat. Why risk your health just to go over that genetic limit? Seems rather pointless to me.

[dec11]

If you are a dumbass with a poor diet/ stop lifting heavy its true. If your diet is spot on and continue training you will keep most if not all gains.

rubbish

lol, who are these "vets"

certainly not you anyway

[nusa]

[QUOTE="dec11"]rubbish
I'v kept 70% of my gains from 2 cycles so its not exactly rubbish

[dec11]

[QUOTE=nusa;6186532]

rubbish
I'v kept 70% of my gains from 2 cycles so its not exactly rubbish

in what way did you measure this? what was your starting weight and current weight? are you at genetic limit?

70% off two cycles, so thats what 35% each one, not an awful lot expressed in that way rather than a single 70% figure

[Sharmthetics]

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in what way did you measure this? what was your starting weight and current weight? are you at genetic limit?

Someone please tell me how you know when you are at your genetic limit! I really have no idea haha.

[rhoads90]

So why would you cycle when at or past your genetic limit? Most people look at their aesthetic best when at their genetic limit and with low body fat. Why risk your health just to go over that genetic limit? Seems rather pointless to me.

This guy speaks the truth.

[lovbyts]

So why would you cycle when at or past your genetic limit? Most people look at their aesthetic best when at their genetic limit and with low body fat. Why risk your health just to go over that genetic limit? Seems rather pointless to me.

I have a SIMPLE example.
Speed limit is 70 mph most everywhere. Why make cars that go faster than 70 or 80 mph? Why modify your car or bike?????