I am not saying 6 cycles..I would say safetly 2 cycles for SURE. For me after the first and obvious test only cycle it's about having the experience to deal with the sides that are inherent to a compound such as tren. After 2 or 3 or even 4 cycles one should have a good grasp of the basics needed like AI, PCT, diet, not to mention knowing how to indentify sides and how to combat them. There is also the mental asspect. Depression, insomnia, labido being out of control. Some of these things are difficult for a begginer to deal with and you see post after post in here as testiment to that.