Quik needle question

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hey guys..

this past year ive been using tuberculin syringes with needles that come on and off this way i can draw with 21g and shoot with 25g. my question is im thinking of going subq and need more needles. i planned on getting 30g 1/2" needles to go with my 1mL tuberculin syringes but im wondering if this will become a prob since the test is so thick. ive heard of guys popping the end of the needle off due to the pressure..

?? any thoughts? id prefer to have leur lock but i cant find any leur lock with 1mL/cc syringes. theyre all 3mL/cc. this is too big IMO to accurately gauge .4mL which is my dose.

also itd be nice to find 5/16" needles too instead of 1/2" if possible..

thx!

[bass]

get 28gx1/2 slin pin, you can draw fairly quick and shoot even quicker. what is your dose? i load 50mgs within 2 minutes and shoot within 30 seconds.

[SEOINAGE]

Opposed to back filling syringes? I haven't tried it but my insulin syringes don't have a removable needle, could possibly back fill them and have no problem with pressure causing the non existent cap to come off. They are also 5/16" in length, 31 gauge I believe.

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get 28gx1/2 slin pin, you can draw fairly quick and shoot even quicker. what is your dose? i load 50mgs within 2 minutes and shoot within 30 seconds.

80mg

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Opposed to back filling syringes? I haven't tried it but my insulin syringes don't have a removable needle, could possibly back fill them and have no problem with pressure causing the non existent cap to come off. They are also 5/16" in length, 31 gauge I believe.

not necessarily opposed. just takes a bit more time i suppose. got used to the ease of the 21g is all LOL

[SEOINAGE]

not necessarily opposed. just takes a bit more time i suppose. got used to the ease of the 21g is all LOL

I bet with enough time I could draw with one of my insulin syringes, what I need is a device I can insert the syringe then set it in a clamp and pull back the plunger to desired position, and it would hold it there while I took off till it was done.

[gbrice75]

Why are you considering subQ? Just curious.

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Why are you considering subQ? Just curious.

1. better E2 stability possibly

2. not poking 100s or probably over my lifetime couple thousand holes in my muscles

3. less incidence of pain



p.s. i posted a question in ur ask anything thread (thought id get that in )

[gbrice75]

Completely understand 2 and 3, will have to research 1 however. I'd be interested in what mechanisms are at work behind this.

lol, no problem, i'll have a look shortly. I'm so damn burned out on that section, I can barely stand going there at the moment!

[steroid.com 1]

1. better E2 stability possibly

2. not poking 100s or probably over my lifetime couple thousand holes in my muscles

3. less incidence of pain



p.s. i posted a question in ur ask anything thread (thought id get that in )

^^^^All of this plus it's cheaper.

There's a lot of consensus out there now that smaller doses injected more frequently will provide a more smoother "zig zag" in E2 levels much like Transdermal users where they rarely need an AI do to daily use. Dr. Shippen has been a big proponent of this for years and it's getting alot of traction with TRT Docs now.

Here's a tip that works: Get a bowl of very hot water and let the vial of Test sit in it for a few to 5 minutes. You will have no problem drawing up the esters and injecting as well.

Works like a charm

[jasc]

I often pin Test Cyp 250 n Tren A 100 with a 29g 5/8" slin pin. Does take a min to load but it's a very nice change from 25g 1".

[Phased]

1. better E2 stability possibly

2. not poking 100s or probably over my lifetime couple thousand holes in my muscles

3. less incidence of pain



p.s. i posted a question in ur ask anything thread (thought id get that in )

100% on this with you, How is it going brother? Keep me posted.

[bass]

80mg

hmmm, with this dose and the little amount of fat you have on you may end up with a nice lump, but don't worry it'll wear off after a while and you won't get them anymore. if you have thicker fat else where do it there to avoid lumps. i do it on my upper thigh, piece of cake.

[kelkel]

I often pin Test Cyp 250 n Tren A 100 with a 29g 5/8" slin pin. Does take a min to load but it's a very nice change from 25g 1".

You talking SQ with it or IM?

I've used 31ga slins before. No issue.

[MuscleInk]

The heating protocol recommended by gdevine works beautifully.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes. I'd be much happier with sQ injections.

....still gathering intel on the cholesterol profiles we discussed in the other thread.

[HRTstudent]

I tried 28g 1/2 inch and it was remarkably easy. Probably not like drawing with a 21g but what are we talking about here, saving maybe a minute? maybe 2?

Either way the 28g 1/2's are so painless and small I will continue them. Can't do glutes with them though unless you are probably well under 8% bodyfat.

[SEOINAGE]

I tried 28g 1/2 inch and it was remarkably easy. Probably not like drawing with a 21g but what are we talking about here, saving maybe a minute? maybe 2?

Either way the 28g 1/2's are so painless and small I will continue them. Can't do glutes with them though unless you are probably well under 8% bodyfat.

You talking about IM injects with an insulin pin?

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Completely understand 2 and 3, will have to research 1 however. I'd be interested in what mechanisms are at work behind this.

lol, no problem, i'll have a look shortly. I'm so damn burned out on that section, I can barely stand going there at the moment!

LMAO! hence why i posted that little side-note. i saw u havent been to that thread since 10/5

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^^^^All of this plus it's cheaper.
Here's a tip that works: Get a bowl of very hot water and let the vial of Test sit in it for a few to 5 minutes. You will have no problem drawing up the esters and injecting as well.
Works like a charm

cool will do and thx!

100% on this with you, How is it going brother? Keep me posted.

1. going well! 2. still waiting 3. leaning out in the mean time! 4. will do

hmmm, with this dose and the little amount of fat you have on you may end up with a nice lump, but don't worry it'll wear off after a while and you won't get them anymore. if you have thicker fat else where do it there to avoid lumps. i do it on my upper thigh, piece of cake.

i dont have fat thicker anywhere else. i can pinch a little together though. i fig if i can do it with HCG i should be able to do it with test. have considered maybe running test at 40mg EOD??

The heating protocol recommended by gdevine works beautifully.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes. I'd be much happier with sQ injections.
....still gathering intel on the cholesterol profiles we discussed in the other thread.

cool. looking forward to hearing what u find out! also i talked to my TRT doc today (he called when i sent him the blood work request) and he said he just got back from a conference where they said u could poss manage E2 with zinc and some other thing like that (i cant remember - shouldnt have smoked so much when i was younger ) anyone heard of this???

[Phased]

Yes zinc can be used to control estrogen. The mineral zinc inhibits the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone into excess estrogen.

Best

[steroid.com 1]

My Test Cyp is also compounded with Zinc in suspension...nice!!!

[Phased]

My Test Cyp is also compounded with Zinc in suspension...nice!!!

Well thanks for letting us know and lucky you, didn't even know that was going around. Can you share the pharma company, as I think you have a script for HRT if I have read right.

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Yes zinc can be used to control estrogen. The mineral zinc inhibits the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone into excess estrogen.

Best

My Test Cyp is also compounded with Zinc in suspension...nice!!!

interesting! ill try to find out what the other one was.. i cant believ i forgot.. (yes i can )

[MuscleInk]

cool will do and thx!

1. going well! 2. still waiting 3. leaning out in the mean time! 4. will do

i dont have fat thicker anywhere else. i can pinch a little together though. i fig if i can do it with HCG i should be able to do it with test. have considered maybe running test at 40mg EOD??

cool. looking forward to hearing what u find out! also i talked to my TRT doc today (he called when i sent him the blood work request) and he said he just got back from a conference where they said u could poss manage E2 with zinc and some other thing like that (i cant remember - shouldnt have smoked so much when i was younger ) anyone heard of this???

Yes, I've heard of this from a few practitioners but haven't read any published literature. I take 50-100mg of zinc daily.

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Yes, I've heard of this from a few practitioners but haven't read any published literature. I take 50-100mg of zinc daily.

maybe between the zinc, the mystery ingredient, subQ injects ill be able to get E2 sorted

what do u do muscleink?

[steroid.com 1]

This is how my Test Cyp is compounded:

Testosterone Cyp. 200mg/ml w/ 2mg Zinc

Taking Zinc via the digestion route is ok but keep in mind about 7% at best makes it into the bloodstream at the end of the day but it's still advisable for men to take 50 mg of Zinc daily. Injecting the Zinc bypasses the digestion process and first pass effect and going directly into the bloodstream...nice touch eh?

If you take more than 50 mg of Zinc make sure your multi has copper in it as Zinc can deplete copper and we need copper to stay alive!!!

[HRTstudent]

You talking about IM injects with an insulin pin?

Yes, if you are in the 15'ish % bodyfat or less you can probably go IM in the delts and quads. Very painless and I imagine less trauma to the muscle since the needle is smaller.

[HRTstudent]

This is how my Test Cyp is compounded:

Testosterone Cyp. 200mg/ml w/ 2mg Zinc

Taking Zinc via the digestion route is ok but keep in mind about 7% at best makes it into the bloodstream at the end of the day but it's still advisable for men to take 50 mg of Zinc daily. Injecting the Zinc bypasses the digestion process and first pass effect and going directly into the bloodstream...nice touch eh?

If you take more than 50 mg of Zinc make sure your multi has copper in it as Zinc can deplete copper and we need copper to stay alive!!!

That's really cool.

Did you try to use zinc oral? How did that work?

What does the zinc/test shot have your zinc level at?

I think that's a really cool idea!

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well first subq inject went great! turns out i was lookn thru my TRT drawer (anyone else have one of these? ) and found leur lock syringes with 18g needles as well as 30g replacement needles. so i drew with 18g and shot with 30g. no probs at all! im sold!

[Phased]

That's really cool.

Did you try to use zinc oral? How did that work?

What does the zinc/test shot have your zinc level at?

I think that's a really cool idea!

Devine has all the stuff:-)

[steroid.com 1]

Devine has all the stuff:-)

I even have stuff that will make your erection look and act like a porn star...kid you not

[steroid.com 1]

well first subq inject went great! turns out i was lookn thru my TRT drawer (anyone else have one of these? ) and found leur lock syringes with 18g needles as well as 30g replacement needles. so i drew with 18g and shot with 30g. no probs at all! im sold!

I love Leur Lock syringes.

I use the 18g to draw and it's a breeze but us the 27g for injecting and no issues whatsoever. The 27g is absolutely painless so I can only imagine the 30g is the same.

Glade things went well 405...like many of us here, once you get used to SQ it's hard to go back.

I mix up SQ and IM for no other reason then to mix up injection protocols.

Keep us posted on next E2 assay.

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I even have stuff that will make your erection look and act like a porn star...kid you not

that sounds interesting. especially the "look like a porn star part". im a good actor

[kelkel]

I even have stuff that will make your erection look and act like a porn star...kid you not

Not you though, just your erection....


BTW, I've taken zinc ever since starting TRT.

Zinc status and serum testosterone levels of healthy adults.
Prasad AS, Mantzoros CS, Beck FW, Hess JW, Brewer GJ.
SourceDepartment of Internal Medicine, Wayne State University School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, USA.

Abstract
Zinc deficiency is prevalent throughout the world, including the USA. Severe and moderate deficiency of zinc is associated with hypogonadism in men. However, the effect of marginal zinc deficiency on serum testosterone concentration is not known. We studied the relationship between cellular zinc concentrations and serum testosterone cross-sectionally in 40 normal men, 20 to 80 y of age. In four normal young men (27.5 +/- 0.5 y), we measured serum testosterone before and during marginal zinc deficiency induced by restricting dietary zinc intake. We also measured serum testosterone in nine elderly men (64 +/- 9 y) who were marginally zinc deficient before and after 3 to 6 mo of supplementation with 459 mumol/ d oral zinc administered as zinc gluconate. Serum testosterone concentrations were significantly correlated with cellular zinc concentrations in the cross-sectional study (lymphocyte zinc versus serum testosterone, r = 0.43, p = 0.006; granulocyte zinc versus serum testosterone, r = 0.30, p = 0.03). Dietary zinc restriction in normal young men was associated with a significant decrease in serum testosterone concentrations after 20 weeks of zinc restriction (baseline versus post-zinc restriction mean +/- SD, 39.9 +/- 7.1 versus 10.6 +/- 3.6 nmol/L, respectively; p = 0.005). Zinc supplementation of marginally zinc-deficient normal elderly men for six months resulted in an increase in serum testosterone from 8.3 +/- 6.3 to 16.0 +/- 4.4 nmol/L (p = 0.02). We conclude that zinc may play an important role in modulating serum testosterone levels in normal men.

Not that we're "normal" any more!

When it comes to vitamins and research. Check out the below link. Good guy runs it. I've talked to him personally. Basically a vitamin nerd, or so he calls himself:

http://examine.com/supplements/

I will probably post a thread here as I've done so on the nutrition forum...

kel

[Phased]

I even have stuff that will make your erection look and act like a porn star...kid you not

Please share, could use a few tricks up my sleeve for the old lady