Protein sources - Meat, Egg, Vegetable, Milk, Whey etc

[cherrydrpepper]

No doubt about it (depending on which powder vs. which food source). However once either is broken down into it's respective amino counterparts, it's all the same from that point.

Not sure I agree with this not trying to start an argument just a debate but i'll give an extreme example. A nutritionist does a controlled study with three groups of people. The first group derives almost all their protein from milk sources. The second group derives almost all their protein from powdered whey. The third group from all meat sources. I just don't believe the first two groups would have the exact same strength and muscle mass gains and will further speculate they would be less on the muscle gain.

The truth is you can go on google and you're going to find people who support supps and people who are against it so its really to each person to decide. I did find this article against whey protein and here are his reasons below
http://robbwolf.com/2012/05/03/wheyi...powders-paleo/

Here are his points against whey to pick the most common supp

#1 Supps industry you really have no idea what they are putting in the product at the end of the day.. (see proprietary blend)
#2 Whey "(is) often a waste product of cheese making". - To me this sounds like its derived from dairy.
#3 "be it whey or egg white often utilizes extremely high heat (like higher than cooking). This ‘hot air’ denatures the protein to an extent that may increase its carcinogenic load". I dont know what he means here unless he is saying much like burnt red meat it can be an attribute in causing cancer which is not such a big deal as pretty much anything even breathing air in your house could cause cancer.
#4 Its a processed food essentially

Another whey hate article
http://www.holistickid.com/the-probl...otein-powders/
#5 Back to the processed food notation "dehydrated, powdered food with prolonged shelf-life is probably not really a food."
#6 "The saturated fat and fat soluble vitamins in dairy and meat helps the body to properly use the protein, vitamins, and minerals... Protein powders are generally unnecessary and often toxic. When too much protein is consumed without saturated fat, a myriad of health problems can occur. Eat Real Food."

I have a theory that about 90% of the people arguing for whey are consumers who enjoy the product and enjoy their results from their mixed diet and 10% are people with an interest in the supplements industry intent on selling their product.

The truth is though you could find pages and pages of the benefits of whey so really you have to make your mind up for yourself.

[gbrice75]

Not sure I agree with this not trying to start an argument just a debate but i'll give an extreme example.

Never taken that way bro. You're a respected member here and there's a reason you're red.

A nutritionist does a controlled study with three groups of people. The first group derives almost all their protein from milk sources. The second group derives almost all their protein from powdered whey. The third group from all meat sources. I just don't believe the first two groups would have the exact same strength and muscle mass gains and will further speculate they would be less on the muscle gain.

This may very well be the case, but I believe it boils down to the amino profiles of each source. Not all sources are created equal, as we well know. This, among other things, is why I opt for variety.

The truth is you can go on google and you're going to find people who support supps and people who are against it so its really to each person to decide. I did find this article against whey protein and here are his reasons below
http://robbwolf.com/2012/05/03/wheyi...powders-paleo/

Here are his points against whey to pick the most common supp

#1 Supps industry you really have no idea what they are putting in the product at the end of the day.. (see proprietary blend)

Agreed 100%. You get what you pay for, so to speak. There are well known quality brands that have been tested (independently) and are tried and true. There are also companies that literally allow you to build your own protein blend, so you know exactly what's in there. It's expensive, but worth it for the peace of mind you get.

#2 Whey "(is) often a waste product of cheese making". - To me this sounds like its derived from dairy.

lol. Whey is a byproduct of cheese making. I wouldn't call it waste. Yes, it's 1 of 2 proteins that make up dairy, the other being casein. I lol'd at this one because I just recently posted a study that was arguing against casein. Probably a huge manufacturer of whey!!

#3 "be it whey or egg white often utilizes extremely high heat (like higher than cooking). This ‘hot air’ denatures the protein to an extent that may increase its carcinogenic load". I dont know what he means here unless he is saying much like burnt red meat it can be an attribute in causing cancer which is not such a big deal as pretty much anything even breathing air in your house could cause cancer.

Not sure on this one, but anything is possible. Like you said, it's hard to find anything that doesn't cause cancer these days, supposedly.

#4 Its a processed food essentially

Absolutely.

Another whey hate article
http://www.holistickid.com/the-probl...otein-powders/
#5 Back to the processed food notation "dehydrated, powdered food with prolonged shelf-life is probably not really a food."

Agree with this. It's not natural, it is processed. I have never argued in favor of whey (for the record, I never use whey by itself anyway) in terms of it being a natural food. It clearly isn't.

#6 "The saturated fat and fat soluble vitamins in dairy and meat helps the body to properly use the protein, vitamins, and minerals... Protein powders are generally unnecessary and often toxic. When too much protein is consumed without saturated fat, a myriad of health problems can occur. Eat Real Food."

Absolutely. Again, my 'argument' has nothing to do with the overall quality of whey vs. real food, or health benefits due to naturally occuring vitamins, minerals, fats, etc. Real food will win this one 100% of the time. I'm strictly speaking in terms of a protein source and usable EAA's.

I have a theory that about 90% of the people arguing for whey are consumers who enjoy the product and enjoy their results from their mixed diet and 10% are people with an interest in the supplements industry intent on selling their product.

Wow, you're generous! I would have gone with 50/50!

The truth is though you could find pages and pages of the benefits of whey so really you have to make your mind up for yourself.

Yep. There is plenty of data from both sides of the fence. This goes for just about anything in this game though. At the end of the day, you have to do what works for you. As mentioned previously, I saw no appreciable differences, neither positive or negative, while using a powder only diet for a few weeks straight. Nor did I see or feel any difference when I reincorporated whole foods.