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    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baller911 View Post
    Hey guys I'm a busy guy working part time going to school full time dieting strictly and training 7 days a week. As of right now my routine is pretty good i do 5 days of weight lifting a week for an hour and I do 20 minutes of cardio for health (i eat enough for it not to affect my bulk). I have been training for a good 7 years now, lost a lot of muscle due to a lack in training/diet for 5 months and want to know some things about steroids. My diet is currently mainly comprised of complex carbs, some simple carbs (fruit) in the morning, pre workout and post work out, healthy fats and good proteins in every meal and the calories i consume are based on the harris and benedict equation with a ratio of 20%fat 15% protein 65% carbs. my stats are as follows:
    19 years old
    6'0
    146lbs
    11% body fat
    ectomesomorph
    I peaked at 170lbs 9% body fat.

    My questions are as follows:
    1) I have good self control, I want to do 1 or 2 cycles of steroids, will I be able to keep my gains if i go back to a natural diet plan (changed based on my new weight) and continue to train as I would naturally?
    2) what steroids are right for me and how will the cycle work? I dont want to inject but if it comes down to it I will inject
    3) What do I need to take in order to minimize or eliminate side effects?
    4) how long should i wait between cycles
    5)how will my training and diet differ? how many calories for my current weight and what would the ratio of macros be?
    6) will i gain a substantial amount of fat off my bulk if its super clean?
    7)how much weight do you predict i will gain on my first cycle? how much did you gain? (not important)
    8) im apparently being offered a free steroid off this site, are the steroids here any good?

    thanks to anybody who is willing to help me out.
    if you got to this, then you do not need any kinds of steroids. you just need to learn how to eat/diet (cut or bulk). it would seem to me that you would want to bulk at 146lbs and 11% bf.

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
    Marcus

    great info as always.

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