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    Quote Originally Posted by digsy1983 View Post
    Any advice you're going to receive on here isn't gona be what you want to hear, but I really hope you listen to the EXPERIENCED people.

    The gist is, your too young or steroids. And also you don't need them! Your body is loaded with test and gh at your age.


    How did you peak at 170lbs and 9% BF? This is testament that you don't need to cycle!

    Please post up your diet. With calories (you've already stated the macros split) 15% protein isn't going to help on any diet. Imo. 40/40/20 would be a better split.

    You will receive loads of advice regarding diet on here that will go beyond any cycle with a poor diet that you may have planned.
    Even for a guy who is 6ft tall, this is a fantastic build if truly at 9%. Sure it does not look like a bodybuilder, but I am sure that no women will complain about how the body looks.

    At 6ft tall natural at 9% bodyfat about 180 pounds would be what one could likely get to natural, even with ecto genetics.

    Keep in mind that should be from hard work in the gym, and staying consistent, could be reached in about 2 years time, at 5 pounds per each year for the next 2 years.

    NOT force feeding.

    If I can say anything for 100% certain, given my personal experience, it is to NOT force feed or to get fat. I don't even like the term "bulk", as I feel that calories can be used from stored fat just like the ones that you recently ate.

    So calories are needed for gaining muslce, but eating more than maintance levels is only needed if the bodyfat% is already under 10%.

    Even then, I don't like the conventional "wisdom" of a 500 surplus each day. I think that is overkill. Anything more than it takes to build muscle will turn to fat.

    I think it will do much more for a young man socially to stay lean anyway, and gain the muscle slowly. Keep a written record of weights used in the gym, progressive resistance, and 180 lean at 6ft tall is possible.

    That may not sound like a lot, but think of a REAL 10 pounds of muscle increase. That is 10 steaks that weigh 16.oz in volume.

    This is still possible to gain. Just don't overkill on the calories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatman225 View Post
    Even for a guy who is 6ft tall, this is a fantastic build if truly at 9%. Sure it does not look like a bodybuilder, but I am sure that no women will complain about how the body looks.

    At 6ft tall natural at 9% bodyfat about 180 pounds would be what one could likely get to natural, even with ecto genetics.

    Keep in mind that should be from hard work in the gym, and staying consistent, could be reached in about 2 years time, at 5 pounds per each year for the next 2 years.

    NOT force feeding.

    If I can say anything for 100% certain, given my personal experience, it is to NOT force feed or to get fat. I don't even like the term "bulk", as I feel that calories can be used from stored fat just like the ones that you recently ate.

    So calories are needed for gaining muslce, but eating more than maintance levels is only needed if the bodyfat% is already under 10%.

    Even then, I don't like the conventional "wisdom" of a 500 surplus each day. I think that is overkill. Anything more than it takes to build muscle will turn to fat.

    I think it will do much more for a young man socially to stay lean anyway, and gain the muscle slowly. Keep a written record of weights used in the gym, progressive resistance, and 180 lean at 6ft tall is possible.

    That may not sound like a lot, but think of a REAL 10 pounds of muscle increase. That is 10 steaks that weigh 16.oz in volume.

    This is still possible to gain. Just don't overkill on the calories.
    is nobody like reading what i posted on the thread? okay dude 5lbs per year is not the limit, its like 10-15 depending on genetics, telling me that eating like a pig to gain weight wont help is pointless cause i already know that and made it clear. and dude yes you should surplus otherwise youre not trying to gain youre maintaining, its more of how you allocate your macros and the quality of your food and not overdoing it simply because if you dont eat enough to gain weight youre not gonna build muscle. i use the harris and benedict equation because that imo helped me pretty much eliminate any fat gains and the calculator i used has an option based on your goals so it tells you what kind of surplus youre gonna be getting. I gained 6lbs of muscle in a school year

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    Quote Originally Posted by baller911

    is nobody like reading what i posted on the thread? okay dude 5lbs per year is not the limit, its like 10-15 depending on genetics, telling me that eating like a pig to gain weight wont help is pointless cause i already know that and made it clear. and dude yes you should surplus otherwise youre not trying to gain youre maintaining, its more of how you allocate your macros and the quality of your food and not overdoing it simply because if you dont eat enough to gain weight youre not gonna build muscle. i use the harris and benedict equation because that imo helped me pretty much eliminate any fat gains and the calculator i used has an option based on your goals so it tells you what kind of surplus youre gonna be getting. I gained 6lbs of muscle in a school year
    I'm not personally a fan of clenbuterol because of the short term side effects and long term risk such as:

    Blurred vision
    Headaches
    Hypothyroidism
    cardiomyopathy

    The benefits do not outweigh risks IMO. Commitment to a nutrition plan that promotes weight loss and LBM is safer and not difficult to achieve.

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    hmm...i might just try it out see how it works with a good diet just cause its free lol..speaking of which do i actually get a free steroid of my choice just for signing up here? and do the steroids on this site work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baller911
    hmm...i might just try it out see how it works with a good diet just cause its free lol..speaking of which do i actually get a free steroid of my choice just for signing up here? and do the steroids on this site work?
    Read all the information on that deal. Ar-r is a great resource but the so called steroids are steroid alternatives - nutritional supplements. Steroids are illegal in many/most countries so how could a public site operated in the US sell illegal products? They are nutritional supplements as clearly stated on the site.

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    oh another thing, read thru the stickies at the top of the nutrition forum and come up with a diet and the gurus will get you dialed in.

    once you learn how to eat for your goals, you will be a beast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baller911 View Post
    is nobody like reading what i posted on the thread? okay dude 5lbs per year is not the limit, its like 10-15 depending on genetics, telling me that eating like a pig to gain weight wont help is pointless cause i already know that and made it clear. and dude yes you should surplus otherwise youre not trying to gain youre maintaining, its more of how you allocate your macros and the quality of your food and not overdoing it simply because if you dont eat enough to gain weight youre not gonna build muscle. i use the harris and benedict equation because that imo helped me pretty much eliminate any fat gains and the calculator i used has an option based on your goals so it tells you what kind of surplus youre gonna be getting. I gained 6lbs of muscle in a school year
    So you are saying that a natural trainer who already has a few years training under his belt, can continue to gain 10-15 pounds of muscle each year?

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    seriously fatman do you not read? thats not what im saying, and that principal doesnt apply to me. of course as get closer to your genetic potential it gets harder to gain more muscle. If you dont understand english or arent going to take the time to read and understand what i say please get off my thread.

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