HCG injection times?

[GymRat96744]

twice a week right up till 4 days prior to Pct.

So 4 days before pct. I have been told to run the HCG all the way up to pct. could you give me some insight on this one bro. Thanks. Trying to learn everything I can.

[MickeyKnox]

Nice learned something new! Why is it better to inject the day before you inject test?

This is the protocol from Dr. John Crisler who reported that the day before testosterone shot, administration of hCG produced the best serum levels for active testosterone production in males.

So 4 days before pct. I have been told to run the HCG all the way up to pct. could you give me some insight on this one bro. Thanks. Trying to learn everything I can.

Rather than paraphrase Swifto, its easier to simply quote him..

“Because when we inject HCG endogenous testosterone spikes twice, not once. It spikes it the first time almost immediately and then the larger spike in Test is around 72 hours. During this period there is a leydig cell refractory period, where the leydig cells are non-responsive. We don't want to be going into PCT (even fro a few day) with our leydig cells un-responsive and testes unable to increase Test.

This refractory period is over if we do our final injection more than 4-5 days out from PCT. The added endogenous Test, if we went into PCT, may also cause androgen and estrogen inhibition at the hypothalamus if used too close to PCT IMO as well.

Endogenous LH levels can rise fairly quickly during PCT, in days, not weeks too."

[Bonaparte]

This is the protocol from Dr. John Crisler who reported that the day before testosterone shot, administration of hCG produced the best serum levels for active testosterone production in males.



Rather than paraphrase Swifto, its easier to simply quote him..

“Because when we inject HCG endogenous testosterone spikes twice, not once. It spikes it the first time almost immediately and then the larger spike in Test is around 72 hours. During this period there is a leydig cell refractory period, where the leydig cells are non-responsive. We don't want to be going into PCT (even fro a few day) with our leydig cells un-responsive and testes unable to increase Test.

This refractory period is over if we do our final injection more than 4-5 days out from PCT. The added endogenous Test, if we went into PCT, may also cause androgen and estrogen inhibition at the hypothalamus if used too close to PCT IMO as well.

Endogenous LH levels can rise fairly quickly during PCT, in days, not weeks too."

I'm not disagreeing with you, but Swifto's quote does not back up Chrisler's theory at all.

[MickeyKnox]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but Swifto's quote does not back up Chrisler's theory at all.

Thats correct, it does not support the day before protocol (actually two days before is the current protocol, but there are still on going studies) but it does support Crislers theory about the hCG spiking twice and the refractory (physiological) period leading up to PCT that he refers too.

This is why I quoted him.

[Bonaparte]

Thats correct, it does not support the day before protocol (actually two days before is the current protocol, but there are still on going studies) but it does support Crislers theory about the hCG spiking twice and the refractory (physiological) period leading up to PCT that he refers too.

This is why I quoted him.

Sorry, I realized right after I posted that the second quote addressed another topic. But I got distracted and failed to edit.