Looking For A New Cycle(PLEASE SHED SOME KNOWLEDGE ON ME)

[MuscleInk]

That one was a hard one to resist. Glad I didn't let you down, lol!

I know where you're coming from though Metal. Will steroids help drive weight loss? Yes, of course. Anyone who has cycled properly will attest to that. Hell, when I cycle it seems like I could eat 12 meals a day and barely put a pound on a month (a slight exaggeration of course), but I'm one of those guys who struggles with bulking and cutting comes much easier. Moreover, when I cycle my BMR is through the roof - chronic sweating, insomnia, elevated HR, elevated BP, and I seem to burn through calories faster than a formula one race car burning through petrol.

Certainly AASs will promote weight loss to some degree but I think one (possible) reason why so many members use the "steroids aren't fat burners" cliche is because there are far more effective and safer methods to reduce body fat but many new users of steroids won't listen to logic or reason.

If a patient came to my clinic and asked, doc, "will oxycondone, dilaudid, or fentanyl cure my headache?", I could be truthful and say, yep, they sure will....but I think we'd both agree I'd be a complete fool for endorsing these compounds to alleviate a headache.

I'd much rather see someone commit to better nutrition instead of jumping into harsh chemicals (please note, I am not implying steroids and fentanyl are equivalent in risks) for achieving a goal that really could be reached through better nutrition. Moreover, establishing a better nutrition plan will promote more sustainable gains (or losses) compared to someone who has a very inadequate nutrition plan, uses steroids, enjoys gains/losses and then returns to a piss poor way of eating post cycle.

I think in some cases (not all of course) what a few members are hoping to do, is encourage a habit (i.e. better eating) that will lead to the weight management goals someone seeks AND establish a long term behavior to maintain those goals.

I see where your frustration is, but I believe in some cases, the emphasis on nutrition first, steroids second, has considerable merit.

[Metalject]

I know where you're coming from though Metal. Will steroids help drive weight loss? Yes, of course. Anyone who has cycled properly will attest to that. Hell, when I cycle it seems like I could eat 12 meals a day and barely put a pound on a month (a slight exaggeration of course), but I'm one of those guys who struggles with bulking and cutting comes much easier. Moreover, when I cycle my BMR is through the roof - chronic sweating, insomnia, elevated HR, elevated BP, and I seem to burn through calories faster than a formula one race car burning through petrol.

Certainly AASs will promote weight loss to some degree but I think one (possible) reason why so many members use the "steroids aren't fat burners" cliche is because there are far more effective and safer methods to reduce body fat but many new users of steroids won't listen to logic or reason.

If a patient came to my clinic and asked, doc, "will oxycondone, dilaudid, or fentanyl cure my headache?", I could be truthful and say, yep, they sure will....but I think we'd both agree I'd be a complete fool for endorsing these compounds to alleviate a headache.

I'd much rather see someone commit to better nutrition instead of jumping into harsh chemicals (please note, I am not implying steroids and fentanyl are equivalent in risks) for achieving a goal that really could be reached through better nutrition. Moreover, establishing a better nutrition plan will promote more sustainable gains (or losses) compared to someone who has a very inadequate nutrition plan, uses steroids, enjoys gains/losses and then returns to a piss poor way of eating post cycle.

I think in some cases (not all of course) what a few members are hoping to do, is encourage a habit (i.e. better eating) that will lead to the weight management goals someone seeks AND establish a long term behavior to maintain those goals.

I see where your frustration is, but I believe in some cases, the emphasis on nutrition first, steroids second, has considerable merit.

I understand what you're saying. I get the trying to lead the individual down a more prudent path. However, it's hard for me to agree with misleading information even if it's with the best intentions and even if the misleading is only slight. In the end, misinformation just spreads like wildfire and people parrot it around boards all across the net.

And you're right, of course someone who has a better diet will make better progress. I can't deny that and wouldn't try to. But it doesn't change the basic fact in how steroids work. I don't like calling steroids a shortcut, you know as well as I do you still have to put in your work. But they are enhancers and you'll get a whole lot more out of your work if you use them. I think this is something a lot of steroid users have a hard time openly admitting. It's almost as if many imply you can reach tremendous goals without them. OK, fine, then why use them? Of course they help and they help with every last aspect and that includes dieting. In my opinion and I've said this several times on this board and been ridiculed for it, if you're going to be a steroid user the most important time to use steroids is when dieting. Yet many will claim the opposite. This makes no sense to me. A diet without steroids will always and I do mean always result in muscle loss each and every time. I don't care how well planned the diet is or how great your training program is, if you're really dieting you will lose muscle if steroids are not involved and it's a joke to tell people otherwise.

Now I'll also say this, something I've picked up on since I've been on this board which obviously isn't that long. There are several really smart guys on here, very smart. There also appears to be a lot of guys who truly wish to help others. Sometimes I think some twist reality a little in the interest of what they think is best, but I understand they're only trying to help. All that said, I also understand that I come from a background that's probably a little different than most here. I could be wrong but from what I gather most here are simply recreational steroid users and that's great. I have no problem with that. I come from a bit of a harsher background, where the reward is the end all be all, where risk is secondary to success. Now I've evolved in my thinking quite a bit since those days...my bodybuilding days are long since behind me and with age often comes a new perspective...not that I'm all that old. But I've seen the best and the worst of steroid use and that simply gives me a perspective that's probably different than many. A better one? I'm not saying that, but a little different than the broscience norm.

Last thing, you bet the myths drive me crazy, lol! The body fat or fat loss myths, the hysteria that often surrounds tren, red blood cells fears that are blown way out of proportion or the idea that there's only one right way to really use steroids. It all drives me crazy!