First cycle and results r in my second post. I'm not saying that's what Im using just what someone u uses suggested. That's y I'm asking about it. I originally said I used nolva and clomid before and was asking if something better has come around since the last time I used it. Always looking for a better suggestion is all. It worked for me last time but I never ran tren and I'm doing my reaserch before I start. I'm no expert on gear that's y I'm here.