Too high for too long, supraphysiological mini cycle

[Sworder]

4 months should be good. Other examples of tolerance that are known is myostatin as mentioned. I can't speak of what cycles Jay Cutler does but I know a childhood friend that is a bodybuilder in Sweden. He runs 8weeks on 2 weeks completely off, also consumes 11k calories/day during bulk. It's going to be very individual as well.

[ilovelamp]

4 months should be good. Other examples of tolerance that are known is myostatin as mentioned. I can't speak of what cycles Jay Cutler does but I know a childhood friend that is a bodybuilder in Sweden. He runs 8weeks on 2 weeks completely off, also consumes 11k calories/day during bulk. It's going to be very individual as well.

Out of curiosity, you did see the significant differences between the current pics and the ones two years ago, right? Its painfully obvious that something in my body chemistry is far different than it was then, but then again so much is different now. I am determined that the differences are not lifestyle related, but here's my little comparison.

Tell me what you think, Sworder.
Then:
-I had low T for two years and was pretty small to begin with, of course the changes were going to come faster and be perceived as far more noticable. Its like if someone weighs 150 before their first cycle, and 170 after. Their second cycle may only result in about 5-10 lbs more in gains because they are approaching their genetic limit, and that's where myostatin kicks in.

In Between (One year ago):
- I was still very muscular by most people's standards, but I noticed my tone was lost and I felt puffier. This was the beginning of the end..lol. I think that as the gel stopped absorbing my SHBG slowly creeped up and rendered my T useless while E2 ran wild.

Now: Your average male has a testosterone level between 300 and 1,000, and most can make gains and look good naturally. Although it is nice to step into the supraphysiologic realm to obtain mass and look better than you could naturally, and it does work (for awhile) it isn't meant to last. Like you said, over time the body stops responding..through mechanisms entirely misunderstood by a lot of us.

There are people who do blasts and cruises, but I think their cruise is a reasonable TRT dose so that may be why it works for them. If you happen to know, how much T does your friend run both during his 8 week blast? And if 2 weeks of nothing works for him, shouldn't that be all it takes for me?..or have I done too much damage?

[Sworder]

Sounds about right. There are a lot of things going on that are not understood, when you reach a certain level of androgens you get the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy effect(read fuller muscles).

To be quite honest I don't know how the hell he does it. I have tried but the gains won't come unless you reset. On my last cycle I hit 209 then I felt that my gains were slowing down, so I upped my tren from 500 to 800mg/week and nothing happened. You are going to reach that plateau when gains just stop and that's when you need to reset. It won't matter how much gear you run your body will just stop. I don't think you did your reset that is why you can't grow right now, go down to 100mg/week or if you have the willpower stop the TRT for a month to ensure a reset.

He runs about 2-3grams of androgens, slin, hGH and peptides. On the 2 weeks off only hCG or nothing at all.

I think that most of us can agree that 600mg Tren is a lot but the truth is, if you would run that for a year would won't continually grow. How/why can the pros do it? I don't know. We need to come off and reset, its that simple.

[ilovelamp]

Sounds about right. There are a lot of things going on that are not understood, when you reach a certain level of androgens you get the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy effect(read fuller muscles).

To be quite honest I don't know how the hell he does it. I have tried but the gains won't come unless you reset. On my last cycle I hit 209 then I felt that my gains were slowing down, so I upped my tren from 500 to 800mg/week and nothing happened. You are going to reach that plateau when gains just stop and that's when you need to reset. It won't matter how much gear you run your body will just stop. I don't think you did your reset that is why you can't grow right now, go down to 100mg/week or if you have the willpower stop the TRT for a month to ensure a reset.

He runs about 2-3grams of androgens, slin, hGH and peptides. On the 2 weeks off only hCG or nothing at all.

I think that most of us can agree that 600mg Tren is a lot but the truth is, if you would run that for a year would won't continually grow. How/why can the pros do it? I don't know. We need to come off and reset, its that simple.

You're talking strictly for steroid or steroid like doses, correct? Normal TRT does not put guys near 2,000 like me, correct? We can agree that I've been on too much for too long, and that it messed with my body chemistry among other things. What about when you reach that plateau and the gains disappear? I hear a lot about guys with gains slowing, but rarely do you hear guys tell stories about all their hard work deteriorating. All I'm scared of is lowering to 100, losing what little gains I still have, and being in the same boat as I am now because it wasn't the problem. I know its foolish, and I'm probably just being paranoid..but I really need to get to the bottom of this. Maybe after taking some time off I do a quick blast with tren and T and then return to cruise to see how dramatically it effects me. Do you think 2 months on 100 mg will be enough time? If your friend gets away with 2 weeks, I'm sure 2 months would help somewhat.