Israel

[Metalject]

On the issue of offending people, sure I realize a lot of people get offended easily when it comes to topics like this, but I also believe we (society as a whole) have let this don't offend thing get way out of hand. There's a difference in having varying opinions that others might disagree with and saying things simply out of anger and spite simply to hurt someone. Big difference.

Second thing, if the Palestinians were there first, by this reasoning if native Americans started bombing New York and Washington D.C. we should just all say that's OK, they were here first.

On that same note, the Jews were in Israel long before any arab or muslim people. Where this idea that arabs or muslims were there first came from I don't know. The nation of Israel was founded 2000 years before Islam became a religion and became a nation inhabited by Jews somewhere around 1300 or 1400b.c. The Palestinian label on a specific group of arabs did not exist until the mid-1900's.

On the issue of Israel starting this conflict, Hamas fired more than 800 missals into Israel targeting any and all Jews in the last year alone. That's not counting the massive attack in the last few days. Second issue, Hamas is getting their weapons directly from Iran that is funneling them in through Egypt.

How has Israel started this? They don't want war, they're not the ones crying for it.

[thegodfather]

On the issue of offending people, sure I realize a lot of people get offended easily when it comes to topics like this, but I also believe we (society as a whole) have let this don't offend thing get way out of hand. There's a difference in having varying opinions that others might disagree with and saying things simply out of anger and spite simply to hurt someone. Big difference.

Second thing, if the Palestinians were there first, by this reasoning if native Americans started bombing New York and Washington D.C. we should just all say that's OK, they were here first.

On that same note, the Jews were in Israel long before any arab or muslim people. Where this idea that arabs or muslims were there first came from I don't know. The nation of Israel was founded 2000 years before Islam became a religion and became a nation inhabited by Jews somewhere around 1300 or 1400b.c. The Palestinian label on a specific group of arabs did not exist until the mid-1900's.

On the issue of Israel starting this conflict, Hamas fired more than 800 missals into Israel targeting any and all Jews in the last year alone. That's not counting the massive attack in the last few days. Second issue, Hamas is getting their weapons directly from Iran that is funneling them in through Egypt.

How has Israel started this? They don't want war, they're not the ones crying for it.

Explain to me how the goings on between the two parties in any possible way affects the national security of the contiguous United States homeland? Since it most certainly does not, our country has no reason expending assets, money, or sending our Secretary of State there to play referee. Let them sort these problems out on their own. There is really no distinction between Israelites and Arabs who are from that region, they are ALL semitic peoples. You are simply talking about people with differing viewpoints, but all of the same ethnicity and have shared the same lands for thousands of years. While one may have been more dominant than the other at various points through history, no one was particularly dominant enough to lay claim to it.

Your argument supposes that for instance, the Anglo-Saxons have a legitimate right to the United Kingdom, they were after all, there 2000 years before the present day peoples who inhabit the United Kingdom. Or wait, if there are people with surviving Roman lineage, then they have the legitimate right to attack Italy, Turkey(formerly Gaul), and Thrace(Bulgaria,Greece,&Turkey). It's an absurd argument.

[lovbyts]

Explain to me how the goings on between the two parties in any possible way affects the national security of the contiguous United States homeland? Since it most certainly does not, our country has no reason expending assets, money, or sending our Secretary of State there to play referee. Let them sort these problems out on their own. There is really no distinction between Israelites and Arabs who are from that region, they are ALL semitic peoples. You are simply talking about people with differing viewpoints, but all of the same ethnicity and have shared the same lands for thousands of years. While one may have been more dominant than the other at various points through history, no one was particularly dominant enough to lay claim to it.

Your argument supposes that for instance, the Anglo-Saxons have a legitimate right to the United Kingdom, they were after all, there 2000 years before the present day peoples who inhabit the United Kingdom. Or wait, if there are people with surviving Roman lineage, then they have the legitimate right to attack Italy, Turkey(formerly Gaul), and Thrace(Bulgaria,Greece,&Turkey). It's an absurd argument.

Because we (administration) seem to think they need to police the who world and it's just another way to add a few more trillion to the deficit helping prove the need to raise the debt ceiling instead of curbing spending.

[Euroholic]

Explain to me how the goings on between the two parties in any possible way affects the national security of the contiguous United States homeland? Since it most certainly does not, our country has no reason expending assets, money, or sending our Secretary of State there to play referee. Let them sort these problems out on their own. There is really no distinction between Israelites and Arabs who are from that region, they are ALL semitic peoples. You are simply talking about people with differing viewpoints, but all of the same ethnicity and have shared the same lands for thousands of years. While one may have been more dominant than the other at various points through history, no one was particularly dominant enough to lay claim to it.

Your argument supposes that for instance, the Anglo-Saxons have a legitimate right to the United Kingdom, they were after all, there 2000 years before the present day peoples who inhabit the United Kingdom. Or wait, if there are people with surviving Roman lineage, then they have the legitimate right to attack Italy, Turkey(formerly Gaul), and Thrace(Bulgaria,Greece,&Turkey). It's an absurd argument.

Your wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gaul was france/belgium/swiss

Turkey was byzanitine and later ottomon empire..

[Metalject]

Explain to me how the goings on between the two parties in any possible way affects the national security of the contiguous United States homeland? Since it most certainly does not, our country has no reason expending assets, money, or sending our Secretary of State there to play referee. Let them sort these problems out on their own. There is really no distinction between Israelites and Arabs who are from that region, they are ALL semitic peoples. You are simply talking about people with differing viewpoints, but all of the same ethnicity and have shared the same lands for thousands of years. While one may have been more dominant than the other at various points through history, no one was particularly dominant enough to lay claim to it.

Your argument supposes that for instance, the Anglo-Saxons have a legitimate right to the United Kingdom, they were after all, there 2000 years before the present day peoples who inhabit the United Kingdom. Or wait, if there are people with surviving Roman lineage, then they have the legitimate right to attack Italy, Turkey(formerly Gaul), and Thrace(Bulgaria,Greece,&Turkey). It's an absurd argument.

When I started this thread I never said the U.S. needed to intervene. Israel is one of our strongest allies but I would imagine they can handle Hamas fairly well on their own. However, that wasn't the point of the thread. The point of the thread was discussing or trying to understand how or why many people feel Israel has no right to defend itself or that their response has been overkill.

On another note, while it's a Hamas attack it's really an Iranian attack since they're funding the entire thing and providing every last weapon and bomb. That could potentially lead to a much larger conflict and one that would probably see the U.S. involved in a heavy way. If it were to reach that point, we'd see a bigger war than we've seen in decades.

[Euroholic]

When I started this thread I never said the U.S. needed to intervene. Israel is one of our strongest allies but I would imagine they can handle Hamas fairly well on their own. However, that wasn't the point of the thread. The point of the thread was discussing or trying to understand how or why many people feel Israel has no right to defend itself or that their response has been overkill.

On another note, while it's a Hamas attack it's really an Iranian attack since they're funding the entire thing and providing every last weapon and bomb. That could potentially lead to a much larger conflict and one that would probably see the U.S. involved in a heavy way. If it were to reach that point, we'd see a bigger war than we've seen in decades.

Oh please america has been a big problem for years. They supplied both sides during the iran/iraq war they supplied the afgans when they were at war with soviets. Plus all the central american countries.

Ive never understood foriegn policy.

[Matt]

When I started this thread I never said the U.S. needed to intervene. Israel is one of our strongest allies but I would imagine they can handle Hamas fairly well on their own. However, that wasn't the point of the thread. The point of the thread was discussing or trying to understand how or why many people feel Israel has no right to defend itself or that their response has been overkill.

On another note, while it's a Hamas attack it's really an Iranian attack since they're funding the entire thing and providing every last weapon and bomb. That could potentially lead to a much larger conflict and one that would probably see the U.S. involved in a heavy way. If it were to reach that point, we'd see a bigger war than we've seen in decades.

No they can't handle Hamas and never will, the jews will never ever never win this, its just not possible. Unless they have a massive amount of luck along with killing every single muslim/arab on the planet because let me tell you this, unless israel kill every muslim on the planet they they will be open for attack..

Btw, i take it you didn't know that anyone visiting israel and their own people can be arrested and held in jail without charge, thats a fact.