What's with the pathetic results?

[Lazarov]

I really don't want to be mean and hurt people's feelings and all that sh** but what's with the pathetic results I see people posting on the anabolic steroid forum? Like every single person who posts pics of his before and after, after a 500mg 12 week test e cycle for example, looks almost no different than when he started...

This is leading me to believe that the majority of steroid users are those who are too lazy to put in the work in the first place, with or without steroids.

Am I wrong? Do I just expect too much of a change in a person's physique after a 12 week cycle?

[>Good Luck<]

I really don't want to be mean and hurt people's feelings and all that sh** but what's with the pathetic results I see people posting on the anabolic steroid forum? Like every single person who posts pics of his before and after, after a 500mg 12 week test e cycle for example, looks almost no different than when he started...

This is leading me to believe that the majority of steroid users are those who are too lazy to put in the work in the first place, with or without steroids.

Am I wrong? Do I just expect too much of a change in a person's physique after a 12 week cycle?

Yes. LoL

[kronik420]

have you cycled yet?

if so, what were your before and afters like?

usually from a first cycle, people tend to keep about 10-15 lbs of muscle...

[gixxerboy1]

I really don't want to be mean and hurt people's feelings and all that sh** but what's with the pathetic results I see people posting on the anabolic steroid forum? Like every single person who posts pics of his before and after, after a 500mg 12 week test e cycle for example, looks almost no different than when he started...

This is leading me to believe that the majority of steroid users are those who are too lazy to put in the work in the first place, with or without steroids.

Am I wrong? Do I just expect too much of a change in a person's physique after a 12 week cycle?

the farther along you are the less results you will see. The people with dramatic 25lb gains are the people who had no business using steroids yet

[Lunk1]

the farther along you are the less results you will see. The people with dramatic 25lb gains are the people who had no business using steroids yet

Im 6ft 235..I dont expect to gain 25lbs of muscle. If I can get and keep 10lbs I'm happy. I'm looking for some recomp and strength gain not to look like Big Poppa Pump in 12 weeks! Although I wouldn't mind it lol

[kronik420]

Im 6ft 235..I dont expect to gain 25lbs of muscle. If I can get and keep 10lbs I'm happy. I'm looking for some recomp and strength gain not to look like Big Poppa Pump in 12 weeks! Although I wouldn't mind it lol

i woulda thought at 6 ft and 235 lbs you would already look like that? unless your BF% is really high...

[jpowell]

Magic beans?

Lemme have some.

I have to agree with others tho. From my experience the ppl I have seen gain 25 lbs, had several things wrong with their diets while on gear. Eating evrything in sight (dirty bulk) but as history shows, this comes with a gain in fat as well.

Others, sometimes with good diet can do a solid 8-10lbs.
Diet dictates evrything with gear. No such thing as magic beans.

You train, analyze, adjust.
Simple as that.

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[Lunk1]

i woulda thought at 6 ft and 235 lbs you would already look like that? unless your BF% is really high...

Higher than I like but working on it...and I bet he is 250-265

[Lunk1]

Magic beans?

Lemme have some.

I have to agree with others tho. From my experience the ppl I have seen gain 25 lbs, had several things wrong with their diets while on gear. Eating evrything in sight (dirty bulk) but as history shows, this comes with a gain in fat as well.

Others, sometimes with good diet can do a solid 8-10lbs.
Diet dictates evrything with gear. No such thing as magic beans.

You train, analyze, adjust.
Simple as that.

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This is true..I have gained less size with each cycle but the size I have gained I like alot more than when I first started!

[wh1spa]

Higher than I like but working on it...and I bet he is 250-265

Lol that is actually a guy? I though it was just some name you made up haha..

[Armykid93]

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i woulda thought at 6 ft and 235 lbs you would already look like that? unless your BF% is really high...

He's natural though.....just eating his spinach and taking his multi lol

[>Good Luck<]

This is true..I have gained less size with each cycle but the size I have gained I like alot more than when I first started!

What were your stats when u started cycling and results from first cycle?

[Atomini]

I really don't want to be mean and hurt people's feelings and all that sh** but what's with the pathetic results I see people posting on the anabolic steroid forum? Like every single person who posts pics of his before and after, after a 500mg 12 week test e cycle for example, looks almost no different than when he started...

This is leading me to believe that the majority of steroid users are those who are too lazy to put in the work in the first place, with or without steroids.

Am I wrong? Do I just expect too much of a change in a person's physique after a 12 week cycle?

Let me make two things clear here:

1 - You, as well as most people, are most definitely expecting far too much from a typical 12 week cycle. Yes, anabolic steroids work very well. Yes, they produce results that are far more significant than anything available over the counter. But they are still nowhere near what most people here WANT them to be. A 12 week cycle will not turn someone into Jay Cutler. To obtain physiques like that, assuming one has the genetics for it, requires YEARS upon YEARS of cycles one after the other. Just as how the average joe blow out there thinks that AAS are magic pills that allows you to wake up the next morning looking like Jay Cutler (and we all facepalm at that don't we?), we too within the AAS using community have very similar misconceptions among ourselves. This is also why some people will do a cycle and wonder "WHY ISN'T MY GEAR WORKING!?". Well, its because you've expected far too much out of AAS! And guess what - the gains diminish less and less as you make more progress cycle after cycle until it gets to the point where you'd be lucky to get even 5 lbs. of lean mass out of one cycle!

2 - Not everyone is using AAS to become the biggest guy out there. It's not everyone's goal to be massive. We tend to think that AAS users (especially the more experienced users) are gigantic beasts when we see they have 5+ years of cycling under their belt or whatever. The truth is that less than 20% of us have the genetics to be anywhere NEAR as huge as a pro, let alone the fact that many of us aren't even aspiring to have physiques like that. Almost 4 years ago I got pretty big, I reached about 225 lbs. at 10-13% bodyfat but I lost it all when I hit a period where I couldn't maintain my nutrition and training. It takes A LOT of consistency in one's nutrition to get big and remain that way, and it can be lost very easily by a little slip-up here and there. Although I do eat 6x a day and I intake 2500-3000 cals on average to maintain what I have, I am happy where I am. I'm working to get just a bit closer to what my largest was a few years ago before I lost it, but being the biggest motherfvcker in the gym is NOT my goal any more. And as many younger guys around here get older, they'll realize that too! I have a type of physique in mind that I wish to obtain and maintain, and i'm happy with that. Not every experienced vet and AAS user has to be a big huge massive cow, you know...

[austinite]

See before and after pics of 3+ years of cycling, training, eating and sleeping properly.

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[>Good Luck<]

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[< <Samson> >]

Let me make two things clear here:

1 - You, as well as most people, are most definitely expecting far too much from a typical 12 week cycle. Yes, anabolic steroids work very well. Yes, they produce results that are far more significant than anything available over the counter. But they are still nowhere near what most people here WANT them to be. A 12 week cycle will not turn someone into Jay Cutler. To obtain physiques like that, assuming one has the genetics for it, requires YEARS upon YEARS of cycles one after the other. Just as how the average joe blow out there thinks that AAS are magic pills that allows you to wake up the next morning looking like Jay Cutler (and we all facepalm at that don't we?), we too within the AAS using community have very similar misconceptions among ourselves. This is also why some people will do a cycle and wonder "WHY ISN'T MY GEAR WORKING!?". Well, its because you've expected far too much out of AAS! And guess what - the gains diminish less and less as you make more progress cycle after cycle until it gets to the point where you'd be lucky to get even 5 lbs. of lean mass out of one cycle!

This is exactly what I think.

I think of sauce as the only supplement that works. It's not as intense as people think and at the same time it is, since there is nothing like it.

[marcus300]

A lot of people don't know how to train correctly to build serious muscle and they also have no idea how to eat enough of the right foods to explode out of skin. Ive seen it for years in all the gyms I've trained in, they all take the right gear but don't have a clue how to eat to the extremes and to train correctly.

Many think they are eating and training correctly but they don't have a clue.

[>Good Luck<]

A lot of people don't know how to train correctly to build serious muscle and they also have no idea how to eat enough of the right foods to explode out of skin. Ive seen it for years in all the gyms I've trained in, they all take the right gear but don't have a clue how to eat to the extremes and to train correctly.

Many think they are eating and training correctly but they don't have a clue.

You're right, but some are doing what it takes to learn those important facts! I'm thinking it's time for a new thread. "what's with all the pathetic diets!"

[Honkey_Kong]

A lot of people don't know how to train correctly to build serious muscle and they also have no idea how to eat enough of the right foods to explode out of skin. Ive seen it for years in all the gyms I've trained in, they all take the right gear but don't have a clue how to eat to the extremes and to train correctly.

Many think they are eating and training correctly but they don't have a clue.

Those same people on here get really defensive when you try to ask them about their diets and training too.

[lovbyts]

I have to somewhat agree. Although I do not expect to see massive changes in people but what I do see typically are people who are far from being ready to cycle in the first place and typically have little to no results for nothing they could not have cheese with you have assed diet.

[Lazarov]

I definitely do not expect HUGE results. I just expect a little more size, noticeably rounder shoulders, bigger arms, wider back, etc. Just some noticeable progress. Nothing huge.
A quarter of a year on gear is plenty of time to grow substantially. I'm definitely no expert on AAS, but I'm just going off what I've done in 3-4 months naturally. Progressive overload in the gym, healthy & plentiful eating, lots of rest have given me great results in the gym in the past. So that's what's making me wonder.

[Lazarov]

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Or the extra estrogen is making you have a knee-jerk emotional response to anything slightly offensive. Chill out Lesley Chow.

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[< <Samson> >]

A lot of people don't know how to train correctly to build serious muscle and they also have no idea how to eat enough of the right foods to explode out of skin. Ive seen it for years in all the gyms I've trained in, they all take the right gear but don't have a clue how to eat to the extremes and to train correctly.

Many think they are eating and training correctly but they don't have a clue.

This sure is a fact.

It really is sort of in equal parts. The gear is not going to make you swoled up alone. We need it all, the diet is huge and so is your lifting regimen.

Then the juice just amplifies the results.


A ton of juice will not equal out the other 2. Sure wish it did, but in reality it will give you a heart attack before that happens.