Wtf is wrong with me?

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Half way through cycle, feel weak all the time, horrible workouts, took 3 days off to let body rest and made 0 difference.

100 my of prop and tren ace eod
40 mg dbol Ed
1 mg Adex eod (need that much, had BW done)
250 iu hcg 2x per week

Bulking diet

Got sick, it went away but felt like this since then (2 weeks ago)

[austinite]

sounds like you have 0 E2. Maybe time for more bloodwork. Try shooting 1000mcg B12 daily until then. But anyway, Tren makes me tired once it really kicks in.

[Lunk1]

Man..i have no idea. Followed your E2 threads and thought about different solutions. You may just have to pull the plug?

[MickeyKnox]

Half way through cycle, feel weak all the time, horrible workouts, took 3 days off to let body rest and made 0 difference.

100 my of prop and tren ace eod
40 mg dbol Ed
1 mg Adex eod (need that much, had BW done)
250 iu hcg 2x per week

Bulking diet

Got sick, it went away but felt like this since then (2 weeks ago)

Were you on this cycle when you had your bloods checked?

[S&S_ShovelHead]

I really doubt my e2 is done because I was having this issue before even using an AI. Since I started there has been no change. Sex drive is huge right now too.

[austinite]

You could try dropping the tren dose in half.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Were you on this cycle when you had your bloods checked?

2 weeks in, estro was HUGE Evan at .25 Ed.

[MickeyKnox]

2 weeks in, estro was HUGE Evan at .25 Ed.

How did you feel when E2 was huge? Libido? Morning wood? Mood?

Compared to now?

[S&S_ShovelHead]

You could try dropping the tren dose in half.

Could try that, have you heard of tren making ppl weaker once it fully kicked in?

[MickeyKnox]

You could try dropping the tren dose in half.

This is great idea actually. That would be the next step perhaps.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

How did you feel when E2 was huge? Libido? Morning wood? Mood?

Compared to now?

No morning wood and lost wood during sex once, that's why I had it checked. Wood is good now though.

[Lunk1]

This is great idea actually. That would be the next step perhaps.

Why? What about the Tren would be causing the weak workouts and no progress? Labido is strong...Perhaps this is actually crap gear.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Why? What about the Tren would be causing the weak workouts and no progress? Labido is strong...Perhaps this is actually crap gear.

That's kind of what I was thinking. Could double my tren dose until I see sides that's prove it's real or fake?

[MickeyKnox]

Why? What about the Tren would be causing the weak workouts and no progress? Labido is strong...Perhaps this is actually crap gear.

Because of this..

sounds like you have 0 E2. Maybe time for more bloodwork. Try shooting 1000mcg B12 daily until then. But anyway, Tren makes me tired once it really kicks in.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Because of this..

Not really tired though, I have the agression to put up weight and want to more than anything but these arms just get tired before they should, no pump at all either.

[MickeyKnox]

Sorry, I thought your symptoms included being tired.

[MickeyKnox]

Why? What about the Tren would be causing the weak workouts and no progress? Labido is strong...Perhaps this is actually crap gear.

If it was crap gear, and he continued with the usually high dose of Adex, wouldn't his E2 be low or crash?

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

You havent given your diet even though you say you're bulking

But if your arms are getting tired and you're getting no pumps, somewhere along the line your glucose metabolism is being messed with

gear and interactions between them can get unpredictable like that

[S&S_ShovelHead]

You havent given your diet even though you say you're bulking

But if your arms are getting tired and you're getting no pumps, somewhere along the line your glucose metabolism is being messed with

gear and interactions between them can get unpredictable like that

Can you explain?

My diet is the same as normal when I was havin great results and pump so I dont think it is it but am open to opinions?

Ill throw out a usual day

Proatmeil + 2 c milk
protein bar + goodNnatural bar
Chicken + brown rice
Chicken fajita's
Banana, orange
Shake + oats
Natural PB + daves killer bread (the shit) + 2 c milk
Steak + mashed potatoes

This is just a random day, I shoot for 4700 cals, around 280-330 pro, 120-150 fat, rest carbs (around 400-450ish)

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Going to get BW (test+e2) done tomorrow but that will only show if test is real, which is from same source but different lab. Is there any way to tell is dbol or tren are legit?

[Lunk1]

If it was crap gear, and he continued with the usually high dose of Adex, wouldn't his E2 be low or crash?

If I remember right..SS has gyno issues and is E2 sensitive. He still may have good Test requiring his Adex dosage. The Tren could simply be under dosed. I recall him questioning it's legitimicy in another thread..or the Test anyhow. I am ASSuming it's the same gear from that thread!

[MickeyKnox]

If I remember right..SS has gyno issues and is E2 sensitive. He still may have good Test requiring his Adex dosage. The Tren could simply be under dosed. I recall him questioning it's legitimicy in another thread..or the Test anyhow. I am ASSuming it's the same gear from that thread!

Roger that! I guess well see after tomorrow when his bloods return.

[Lunk1]

Roger that! I guess well see after tomorrow when his bloods return.

inquiring minds def. want to know.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

But how would bw show if tren is legit?

[Sworder]

It wouldn't.

How often were you working out before you "hit the wall"?

[Lunk1]

It won't! I know what I would do (and many may disagree) drop your prop down around 150mg a week, raise your Tren to 500mg a week. If your not noticing tren sides at that dose then toss it in the garbage. The drop in test dose will help eleviate E2 related sides! That would be my test for legitemicy!

[S&S_ShovelHead]

It won't! I know what I would do (and many may disagree) drop your prop down around 150mg a week, raise your Tren to 500mg a week. If your not noticing tren sides at that dose then toss it in the garbage. The drop in test dose will help eleviate E2 related sides! That would be my test for legitemicy!

That's what I was thinking.

Hit wall at 5 weeks.

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

You're on tren, which should give a significant igf boost (one of the primary mechanisms tren is so anabolic and has great partitioning effect). That, alongside with all the carbs shuttling in as muscle glycogen AND the dbol stuffing you up with water should be giving you pumps so insane you can't scratch your own back. If you're feeling otherwise, something is not working the way it should. That's all I meant

[fit2bOld]

Tren makes me tired as well, but he sounds dehydrated as well add the yo-yo thing SS does with estrogen no wonder you feel like crap???
Try super-hydrating for a couple days and see if that helps.... just an idea.

[HitIt]

what's your RBC?

[S&S_ShovelHead]

what's your RBC?

Not sure

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Tren makes me tired as well, but he sounds dehydrated as well add the yo-yo thing SS does with estrogen no wonder you feel like crap???
Try super-hydrating for a couple days and see if that helps.... just an idea.

Ill try that, I keep really hydrated though.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

You're on tren, which should give a significant igf boost (one of the primary mechanisms tren is so anabolic and has great partitioning effect). That, alongside with all the carbs shuttling in as muscle glycogen AND the dbol stuffing you up with water should be giving you pumps so insane you can't scratch your own back. If you're feeling otherwise, something is not working the way it should. That's all I meant

Somethings definetely wrong. Going to drop the dbol today and see if it makes any difference.

I just dont really see how the dbol, tren and test are all fake. Im getting mad night sweats and hair growth so I kind of think the tren is legit and there is some underlying issue.

I had one awesome gym day inbetween two horrible ones and I couldnt think of anything I did different.

[acidking]

Perhaps over training? Do you lift every day? You need a coupe of days a week to recuperate, in time which you replenish your body with carbs.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

5x per week. That's why I took 3 days off plus the days before that were light and still made no difference. I don't think I'm overtraining on the amount of food, rest and juice I'm getting.

[stpete]

Tren causes fatigue in a lot of users, myself included. Hits me at about week 5 right where you are. Personally, i'd run your prop at 150eod and tren at 75eod and see if that helps. Take a night time sleep aid and devote your schedule to allow for 7-8 hours of sleep. I found this protocol to help me best through trial and error over the last 8 years of tren use.

When tren first came about(converting the pellets w/the "magic solution") i ran it twice w/no test at all. Wanna talk about tired? I literally took naps in my truck on lunch break doing construction. No shit.

That's just my .02 and hope you get it figured out.

Good Luck!!

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Tren causes fatigue in a lot of users, myself included. Hits me at about week 5 right where you are. Personally, i'd run your prop at 150eod and tren at 75eod and see if that helps. Take a night time sleep aid and devote your schedule to allow for 7-8 hours of sleep. I found this protocol to help me best through trial and error over the last 8 years of tren use.

When tren first came about(converting the pellets w/the "magic solution") i ran it twice w/no test at all. Wanna talk about tired? I literally took naps in my truck on lunch break doing construction. No shit.

That's just my .02 and hope you get it figured out.

Good Luck!!

I've been getting about 9 hours of sleep a night, no sleep aid needed. Doubled my dose today to check for legitimacy and dropped dbol.

I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the help.

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Little Update:

Got back from doc, told him about my sickness that started all this and he checked for that, said Im good and what I had has subsided so the issue must be juice related in some way.

After some argueing I got the order to check my total T and E2 which Ill go for tomorrow morning, should have results by tomorrow night or the day after.

My last shot was this morning of 100 mg of prop & 200 mg of tren, if my test levels and e2 are low then I know my test is bunk and probably then tren too (because same source and even if I was on only tren I would still feel better than this). If there high then there must be something that's screwing with me and Ill drop the tren and see if that does it.

One thing is Im on hcg 250 iu 2x/week, say my test is bunk what levels could I expect from just that hcg (last shot was sunday morning)

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Update:

E2: 380 pmol/l range = > 156
Total t: 52 nmol/l range = 8.0 - 28.6

Going to lower test and leave ai the same, should take care of e2 (last test I was at 456).

Dropped dbol 2 days ago and wo yesterday was much better but still not 100%. I'll update after tonight to see if its better again. After upping tren I'm pretty sure it's legit, again time will give better indications.

[HitIt]

after about 4 or 5 wks of dbol I start to feel shitty due to the increase in rbc...a week or so after stopping it i'm gtg