If not a mild dose of Anavar then what would I use?

[boxingfan30]

Keep it simple. Nothing more than testosterone cypionate or enanthate, 500 mgs per week split over two or three days per week for 12 weeks. You will need an aromatase inhibitor (arimidex, femara, or aromasin) to block/limit conversion of testosterone to estrogen. My preference is .25mg of arimidex every other day taken at your first injection until your last injection. Adding HCG is strongly advised as is a PCT of tamoxifen and clomiphene.

You'll have infinitely more success if you have your nutrition reviewed by our experts in the nutrition section. Your nutrition will be the single greatest determinant of lean gains and how much you retain post cycle.

500 mg's isn't to much? I don't know what's considered a lot. I know a lot of guys use 250 mg's, or is my total T low enough that 500 would be better? Also, would you think that adding Deca or EQ might be a good idea to help with joints during the cycle?

[Lunk1]

500 mg's isn't to much? I don't know what's considered a lot. I know a lot of guys use 250 mg's, or is my total T low enough that 500 would be better? Also, would you think that adding Deca or EQ might be a good idea to help with joints during the cycle?

250 mg is a high end TRT dose. A low or begginer cycle dose is 400-500 mg so NO it's not too much. Keep things to one compound so you can decipher the cause of side effects!

[boxingfan30]

250 mg is a high end TRT dose. A low or begginer cycle dose is 400-500 mg so NO it's not too much. Keep things to one compound so you can decipher the cause of side effects!

ahhh, I see. So I am to run the HCG at the same time as the test as well as the arimidex or the HCG afterward?

[MuscleInk]

500 mg's isn't to much? I don't know what's considered a lot. I know a lot of guys use 250 mg's, or is my total T low enough that 500 would be better? Also, would you think that adding Deca or EQ might be a good idea to help with joints during the cycle?

Anything at 300mgs or lower weekly is generally a TRT dose. There certainly is nothing wrong with a sub-500 dose if you are diagnosed with low testosterone but for the purpose of cycling, 500mgs per week is fairly standard for IM delivery.

I'd leave the deca and EQ off for now. I won't go into a full explanation other than to suggest you keep the cycle simple and see how your body responds to the testosterone alone.

[Metalject]

Anything at 300mgs or lower weekly is generally a TRT dose. There certainly is nothing wrong with a sub-500 dose if you are diagnosed with low testosterone but for the purpose of cycling, 500mgs per week is fairly standard for IM delivery.

I'd leave the deca and EQ off for now. I won't go into a full explanation other than to suggest you keep the cycle simple and see how your body responds to the testosterone alone.

Just depends on your goals IMO. Sometimes you don't need more than a TRT dose even if you're using other steroids.

[Lunk1]

Just depends on your goals IMO. Sometimes you don't need more than a TRT dose even if you're using other steroids.

I agree a TRT dose will suffice in alot of cases where your stacking other compounds but if your goal is to make gains then there is no reason to run anything less than a standard cycle dose. Why shut down for anything less than 400-500mg...seems like a waste!

[MuscleInk]

Just depends on your goals IMO. Sometimes you don't need more than a TRT dose even if you're using other steroids.

My concern with a TRT dose for a cycle is that you could shut down your natural test simply to replace a pre-TRT dose level with the same level using the TRT dose. What would be the point in that? If your natty testosterone was 400-500ng/dl before TRT and your TRT level only returns to 500-600, what was really the point in that?

[Metalject]

My concern with a TRT dose for a cycle is that you could shut down your natural test simply to replace a pre-TRT dose level with the same level using the TRT dose. What would be the point in that? If your natty testosterone was 400-500ng/dl before TRT and your TRT level only returns to 500-600, what was really the point in that?

The point in the testosterone at that dose would simply be to prevent a low testosterone condition and you would allow the other steroids to help you reach your goals.

Currently, I run my TRT script. If I were to ever do another full blown cycle that's still probably all the test I'd use but would add in a bunch of other things. I have no desire to grow. I have no desire to be huge anymore and have no thoughts of competing anymore. Sometimes the desire pops in my head but not often.

I know a lot of guys say there's no point in cycling if you're not trying to grow, but I couldn't disagree with that any more than I do. You can run the best diet on earth and train your tail off and you still won't look as good as you would if you had done the same thing with some gear. A TRT dose of test and a strong additional item at a higher dose can do wonders and give you a great transformation.

Then you have athletes, actual performance athletes, not bodybuilders and not gym rats. Low test doses in conjunction with a mild steroid is very very common. Low doses of test with possible Deca, Winny or Var are all very common.

[boxingfan30]

Yeah, I do understand that there are a lot of things that need to be learned. I know that test SHOULD be the base for just about any cycle, I know that you need some sort of help to keep the body from reacting to the added T by causing the production of to much estrogen hence the reason for the arimidex that you had suggested. I know that PCT such as clomid or several sometimes to help the body re-adjust back to the natural test production to not "crash" so to speak.

[Lunk1]

Yeah, I do understand that there are a lot of things that need to be learned. I know that test SHOULD be the base for just about any cycle, I know that you need some sort of help to keep the body from reacting to the added T by causing the production of to much estrogen hence the reason for the arimidex that you had suggested. I know that PCT such as clomid or several sometimes to help the body re-adjust back to the natural test production to not "crash" so to speak.

Good job...keep up the research,your getting it!

[MuscleInk]

The point in the testosterone at that dose would simply be to prevent a low testosterone condition and you would allow the other steroids to help you reach your goals.

Currently, I run my TRT script. If I were to ever do another full blown cycle that's still probably all the test I'd use but would add in a bunch of other things. I have no desire to grow. I have no desire to be huge anymore and have no thoughts of competing anymore. Sometimes the desire pops in my head but not often.

I know a lot of guys say there's no point in cycling if you're not trying to grow, but I couldn't disagree with that any more than I do. You can run the best diet on earth and train your tail off and you still won't look as good as you would if you had done the same thing with some gear. A TRT dose of test and a strong additional item at a higher dose can do wonders and give you a great transformation.

Then you have athletes, actual performance athletes, not bodybuilders and not gym rats. Low test doses in conjunction with a mild steroid is very very common. Low doses of test with possible Deca, Winny or Var are all very common.

True....but his initial message said his natty levels were ranging from 633-796 so how is a TRT going to elevate his levels beyond this point? Given his current levels, a TRT dose would seem useless.

....and I don't disagree. I'm getting to a point were healthy is becoming more of a priority than trying to be massive. I don't disagree on that.

[boxingfan30]

True....but his initial message said his natty levels were ranging from 633-796 so how is a TRT going to elevate his levels beyond this point? Given his current levels, a TRT dose would seem useless.

....and I don't disagree. I'm getting to a point were healthy is becoming more of a priority than trying to be massive. I don't disagree on that.

Yes, I would rather what i'm using be healthy and not get to complicated. Like I said, being strong and putting on some lean mass is what I am looking for. I have scoliosis for instance and my back is weak, my chiropractor told me to do a lot of pull ups because he could see and feel the difference in one side of my back being weaker than the other. Adding more strength to that area (which is still weak) would help my spine greatly. I was a slow developer when I was a child and my bones were soft for many years over what they should have been. Lat development would be a HUGE part of my lifting to try to get it stronger. It has helped as my spine had gone from 40 degrees to 37. Better than nothing.

[Metalject]

True....but his initial message said his natty levels were ranging from 633-796 so how is a TRT going to elevate his levels beyond this point? Given his current levels, a TRT dose would seem useless.

....and I don't disagree. I'm getting to a point were healthy is becoming more of a priority than trying to be massive. I don't disagree on that.

I understand what you're saying. On the basis of where his test levels are now there is no point in a TRT dose...it wouldn't be a step forward or backwards...it would be simply standing still. However, if he's going to use another steroid (not test) he's still going to lower his test levels and while a TRT dose want increase his total levels above where they are now, it will ensure he doesn't fall into a low level. The overall point is simply being able to use other steroids without having to worry about low test and nothing more...the test itself is not providing any benefit, in his case the added benefit is the Anavar.