Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[bascat]

Hello Atomini. Thanks again for the amazing collection of well considered data and responses- I am certain you have saved a lot of guys from making some terrible decisions when using Tren.

I am putting together a cycle much like the one described by Oubowtie06 above with the only exception being the use of B6 at around 200mg 2x daily for prolactin control, but have the following questions:

- If running Tren Ace, what is your preferred ester of test to run with it? I have both Prop and Enanthate available. My thoughts were that with the Ace ester being short, running Test E would lead to quite a differential in active levels between the two compounds for the first week or two while the test E builds in the system.
- Should the test be discontinued at the same time as the Tren regardless of the ester, or run for a couple of additional weeks after the Tren is discontinued?
- How long after either test E or test Prop would you typically wait before starting the PCT (are the transitions the same as they would be for any other cycle involving test)?

Apologies in advance if the answers to some or all of these questions have been posted before.

[Atomini]

Hello Atomini. Thanks again for the amazing collection of well considered data and responses- I am certain you have saved a lot of guys from making some terrible decisions when using Tren.

I am putting together a cycle much like the one described by Oubowtie06 above with the only exception being the use of B6 at around 200mg 2x daily for prolactin control, but have the following questions:

- If running Tren Ace, what is your preferred ester of test to run with it? I have both Prop and Enanthate available. My thoughts were that with the Ace ester being short, running Test E would lead to quite a differential in active levels between the two compounds for the first week or two while the test E builds in the system.
- Should the test be discontinued at the same time as the Tren regardless of the ester, or run for a couple of additional weeks after the Tren is discontinued?
- How long after either test E or test Prop would you typically wait before starting the PCT (are the transitions the same as they would be for any other cycle involving test)?

Apologies in advance if the answers to some or all of these questions have been posted before.

1. You are correct in your assessment. Tren Ace generally goes well with Test Prop due to the similarities in half-lives, which create ease of injection timing. This is not to say that you can't use Enanthate with Acetate or something, but its just more convenient.
2. Test and Tren can and should be discontinued at the same time. Prolonging one over the other simply serves to increase the time on cycle, and prevent HPTA recovery the longer something is run. Terminate both at the same time, and your cycle ends quicker, and you can start PCT sooner and get your body back to normal quicker.
3. Following the termination of Test E, the user should wait 2 weeks before starting PCT so as to ensure the body is totally clear of any hormones by that point. FOllowing termination of Test Prop, the user should wait about 6 or 7 days before starting PCT.

[kronik420]

1. You are correct in your assessment. Tren Ace generally goes well with Test Prop due to the similarities in half-lives, which create ease of injection timing. This is not to say that you can't use Enanthate with Acetate or something, but its just more convenient.
2. Test and Tren can and should be discontinued at the same time. Prolonging one over the other simply serves to increase the time on cycle, and prevent HPTA recovery the longer something is run. Terminate both at the same time, and your cycle ends quicker, and you can start PCT sooner and get your body back to normal quicker.
3. Following the termination of Test E, the user should wait 2 weeks before starting PCT so as to ensure the body is totally clear of any hormones by that point. FOllowing termination of Test Prop, the user should wait about 6 or 7 days before starting PCT.

your the 1st one to say this.. everyone else says 3 days..... why's that?

[Atomini]

your the 1st one to say this.. everyone else says 3 days..... why's that?

Testosterone Propionate's half life is 48 hours, which is 2 days. By the 3rd day, do you REALLY think that all of the hormone is gone from the body? Especially after having run it for weeks upon weeks for a full cycle, whereby the hormone levels have consistently built up over those weeks?

[>Good Luck<]

Testosterone Propionate's half life is 48 hours, which is 2 days. By the 3rd day, do you REALLY think that all of the hormone is gone from the body? Especially after having run it for weeks upon weeks for a full cycle, whereby the hormone levels have consistently built up over those weeks?

Would this not affect the pct start times for ALL esters if this were the case? How come nobody else came up with this? Hmm..

[bascat]

Thanks Atomini- just as I suspected.

As far as Tren Ace is concerned, given that I can't obtain prolactin inhibitors and will be using B6, if the worst happened and any prolactin sides surfaced, would discontinuing the tren typically be enough to head things off given the short half life, or does the prolactin remain high regardless? I am hoping that using the B6 for prolactin and Adex to control estrogen coupled with the low test dose will keep everything under control, but as you have said, everyone reacts differently.