Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[Atomini]

Thanks I saw that. Just wasnt sure on how often to inject. Eod would give around 200mg of prop/tren/mast. I was considering this because of convienence. But do you think I should do that or be better off doing prop & tren only with different dose? Maybe prop at 200 or 250 and tren 350 to 400?

Well, I am never a fan of these 'blended' products (stuff like Sustanon, Test 400, blends of Test/Tren, or Test/Tren/Masteron, etc.). When you use blends you have less control over what you are doing and what you are able to do. I've always enjoyed just having everything separate for this reason. You can control dosing and administration far more efficiently.

[Rv8G30]

Well, I am never a fan of these 'blended' products (stuff like Sustanon, Test 400, blends of Test/Tren, or Test/Tren/Masteron, etc.). When you use blends you have less control over what you are doing and what you are able to do. I've always enjoyed just having everything separate for this reason. You can control dosing and administration far more efficiently.

Good point. Tell me if Im way off here. Id like to do a normal tren cycle but that blend had me interested because I thought maybe I could get good results at lower doses (200mg of each) and minimal sides vs just test and tren with tren at a higher dose. Im mainly worried about sleep issues. I have a hard work schedule that has me splitting up sleep. I have a hard time getting to sleep normally and use sleepaids often. Really not sure which way to go here.

[Atomini]

Good point. Tell me if Im way off here. Id like to do a normal tren cycle but that blend had me interested because I thought maybe I could get good results at lower doses (200mg of each) and minimal sides vs just test and tren with tren at a higher dose. Im mainly worried about sleep issues. I have a hard work schedule that has me splitting up sleep. I have a hard time getting to sleep normally and use sleepaids often. Really not sure which way to go here.

I would say use the Trenbolone independently of the other compounds, as you will be able to have better control over your Tren dose if you do encounter any undesireable side effects such as insomnia issues. You won't be able to do this as easily if you used a blend product.

[Rv8G30]

I would say use the Trenbolone independently of the other compounds, as you will be able to have better control over your Tren dose if you do encounter any undesireable side effects such as insomnia issues. You won't be able to do this as easily if you used a blend product.

Ok last question. How bad is the insomnia at 300 to 500 mg tren? Any experience with it? I sometimes use that zzquil which works ok. Sorry if its been mentioned already but I didnt recall any real specifics on the insomnia. Thanks.

[zacheryah]

Ok last question. How bad is the insomnia at 300 to 500 mg tren? Any experience with it? I sometimes use that zzquil which works ok. Sorry if its been mentioned already but I didnt recall any real specifics on the insomnia. Thanks.

gaba works against those. or pikamelon, if you can get it

[Atomini]

Ok last question. How bad is the insomnia at 300 to 500 mg tren? Any experience with it? I sometimes use that zzquil which works ok. Sorry if its been mentioned already but I didnt recall any real specifics on the insomnia. Thanks.

I don't experience much insomnia at doses less than 300mg per week, but again every individual is different. I also find insomnia becomes worse as the cycle progresses. For example, insomnia at week 8 of a cycle is VERY significant compared to week 2 where there is almost nothing. Try doing a search through this thread or even in the forum in general, you'll find some good discussions as to how to assist sleep during Trenbolone use where insomnia is prominent.

[RyanGreg]

thanks for your response Atomini....you are very helpful and knowledgable...

1) Do you believe tren would be a staple in most pro bodybuilder cycles? what do you think would be the most common steroids of choice in a pro bodybuilders cycle and what doses would they be running.... i know you won't know for sure but what would you presume them to consist of?

2) test tren and EQ for a bulking cycle...? you think EQ is a good combo to run with tren? I see this done quite often....what are your favorite compounds your recommend to run along side tren for a bulking cycle...?

3) if gyno signs appear and i don't know if its caused by estrogen or prolactin from the tren what should i do? I'm currently using aromasin 12.5mg ED for estrogen and 1mg prami ED for prolactin..... but if i notice some gyno signs and i don't know what its from estrogen or prolactin should I increase aromasin dose and also increase the prami dose and supplement with vitamin B6....? what would you do in this situation if you start to get some gyno but don't know what is causing it. I'm on test tren and mast. what should i do if i ever do notice any gyno symptoms and I'm using an AI and anti prolactin.

4) i have heard that nolva for PCT is something you want to stay well away from if using tren or deca in a cycle? is there any truth to this? someone said it makes prolactin sides worse and possible to get gyno this way?

[Atomini]

thanks for your response Atomini....you are very helpful and knowledgable...

1) Do you believe tren would be a staple in most pro bodybuilder cycles? what do you think would be the most common steroids of choice in a pro bodybuilders cycle and what doses would they be running.... i know you won't know for sure but what would you presume them to consist of?

2) test tren and EQ for a bulking cycle...? you think EQ is a good combo to run with tren? I see this done quite often....what are your favorite compounds your recommend to run along side tren for a bulking cycle...?

3) if gyno signs appear and i don't know if its caused by estrogen or prolactin from the tren what should i do? I'm currently using aromasin 12.5mg ED for estrogen and 1mg prami ED for prolactin..... but if i notice some gyno signs and i don't know what its from estrogen or prolactin should I increase aromasin dose and also increase the prami dose and supplement with vitamin B6....? what would you do in this situation if you start to get some gyno but don't know what is causing it. I'm on test tren and mast. what should i do if i ever do notice any gyno symptoms and I'm using an AI and anti prolactin.

4) i have heard that nolva for PCT is something you want to stay well away from if using tren or deca in a cycle? is there any truth to this? someone said it makes prolactin sides worse and possible to get gyno this way?

1. Yes, Trenbolone has been referred to as the 'nectar of the Gods', and it is believed that if if one is aspiring to be a proffessional bodybuilder that you won't get very far without the use of Trenbolone. Trenbolone is believed to be a staple in most of the cycles run by competitive bodybuilders.

2. Testosterone/Trenbolone/Equipoise is a solid stack, but why have EQ in there when you can have something better such as Winstrol, Masteron, or Anavar? Equipoise is a garbage anabolic steroid that is essentially a one-trick-pony. It's not regarded by many as being very useful or versatile. My own personal favorite compounds are of course Testosterone and Trenbolone being at the top of the list, and I rarely use anything aside from those. Next favorite would be Anavar, which I am currently experimenting with and using for the first time and I am REALLY enjoying it (only 3 weeks into cycle as well). The strength gains are great and it seems to go well with Testosterone and Trenbolone. I am currently running my Testosterone/Trenbolone/Anavar cycle at 100/200/700mg per week (100mg daily of Anavar).

3. Gyno issues (Prolactin related gyno as well) across the board should be kept under control by keeping Estrogen levels under control. You will usually know what type of gyno it is when it happens. If your nipples start lactating, you've got Prolactin problems. If your nipples lactate along with a lump under your nipple and puffiness, then you have Prolactin problems WITH gyno formation caused likely by high Estrogen levels. As soon as this happens, get a hold of Estrogen by increasing your Aromatase Inhibitor dose, block the receptor sites with a SERM such as Nolvadex, and attack the Prolactin with a dopamine agonist drug such as Cabergoline or Pramipexole. The idea here is to attack all possible angles of gyno and leave no stone unturned. If you still get gyno despite using an AI AND a Prolactin antagonist... increase your AI dose and throw a SERM in to block receptor sites while the AI lowers total blood plasma levels of Estrogen. If nothing works after you've done then, then you're fvcked pretty much.

4. The issue of Nolvadex exacerbating Prolactin issues is an old rumor that isn't true. I originally believed this until I came across some valid clinical research that stated otherwise. If you do a search through this thread, you may be able to locate the cited reference I posted and the details surrounding it. But in short, it just isn't true. It should be okay to use Nolvadex with a 19-nor. I also never EVER stated that Nolvadex is a bad PCT choice, I don't know where you heard that. It is a very good choice for PCT and is perhaps one of the best choices. It is Clomid that is the PCT drug that I am totally against using during PCT.